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Twitter, Facebook and Google - reliable allies of evil everywhere in the world. I mean we knew that, but now it's like they're competing who is worse.

by glogla 5y ago

adventured 5y ago
The most interesting thing about this, is that the people that run big tech are all anti-Russia. They're in the Biden | Obama | Hillary camp, not the perceived Trump | Putin camp philosophically (the far left regards Trump and Putin as being aligned and view that as one connected political union; and they view themselves as being specifically on the other side of that; the people in charge of Twitter, Facebook, Google are all far left and very anti-Trump | Putin). Big tech more likely wants to censor the Kremlin than the pro Ukraine wing. Which leads me to believe this is YouTube getting trapped in its own algorithmic approach to moderation, until or unless they can manually intervene.
- glogla 5y ago
  I don't think they're anti-Russia or anti-anything really, they're pro-being-even-more-insanely-rich and that can materialize in many ways, like talking about being in one camp while doing things that help the other, no matter which camps those are.
- rurp 5y ago
  I believe those are weakly held beliefs relative to their strongly held belief of making piles of money. Despite the lip service Google and others haven't exactly been going out of their way to help improve democracy and institutions in recent years.
  - adventured 5y ago
    What piles of money? Russia is an entirely irrelevant source of income for them. And if that were true, they would not have de-platformed Trump and they wouldn't take down lots of other high traffic content (eg anti vax) that they do. Russia has a mediocre economy, mediocre median standard of living, mediocre consumer economy, zero economic growth for a decade, and a disaster of a future economically going forward. US big tech all by itself generates more surplus cash (capital available for saving after expenses) every year than the entire nation of Russia does. Russia is an economic weakling and provides no great allure for big tech.
    - rurp 5y ago
      I don't mean that these companies are literally shilling for Russia directly. Rather it's that their entire approach is based around maximizing revenue, regardless of the consequences. Deferring all decisions to an opaque algorithm isn't the most responsible approach, it's just the cheapest. Worrying about externalities of their services costs money and produces little, so they mostly don't. The fact that their approach can be used to help horrendous warmongers is not intentional, but maintaining a system that can be used in that way is.
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  > the far left regards Trump and Putin as being aligned and view that as one connected political union I mean, it's not like this idea is unfounded. Trump has praised Putin many times, including during the current invasion. Meanwhile, Putin has been very friendly towards Trump. I think the "Russian election interference" stuff is very overblown, but it's pretty clear that Trump respects (and maybe even idolizes) Putin. One other problem with what you said is that I think the cause and effect goes the other way. The democrats are anti-Trump in part because he's pro Putin. They're not anti-Putin because Putin is pro-Trump. Being anti-Putin is very simply a matter of being anti-dictator and doesn't require tying Putin to a controversial US political figure.
  - adventured 5y ago
    Who said anything about it being unfounded. That was quite obviously not the point. The point was: big tech is exclusively run by people that dislike the perceived Trump | Putin axis, and there's nothing to debate about it frankly, it's something beyond overwhelmingly the case. I stated no position on whether I thought that was good or bad. There was no problem with what I said in fact. I never declared cause and effect (order to why such was the case), that'd be a pointless distraction from the core (and would merely prompt endless opinion thrashing based on partisan beliefs on this forum, or most any forum these days). I simply stated the part that they're quite obviously anti-Putin, and they are. Why for the purposes of the thread doesn't matter. Thus it's more interesting that they'd be blocking pro-Ukraine content and most likely indicates it's not their preference and is an automation problem that they'll have to manually act against.
  - flavius29663 5y ago
    Trump might say he likes Putin and Xi and that fat fuck in NK, but nevertheless he started a trade war against China, sent the first Javelins to Ukraine after Obama didn't want to do so, blocked NS2(that Biden rushed to unblock in his first week!), sent more troops to Poland and all Eastern Europe countries, strongly "encouraged" NATO countries to up their spending on defense etc. It's almost like the conman Trump says one and does the other, but because he's our political nemesis this does not matter anymore, and all of the sudden we start believing what he says and not look at the actions. Tell me, is this praising Putin, or trying to put some sense into Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyuW51M_fI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyuW51M_fI https://publimetros.publimetro.us/2018/07/trump-blasts-allies-says-germany-is.html https://publimetros.publimetro.us/2018/07/trump-blasts-allie...
- graphpercolator 5y ago
  Sergey Brin was born in Moscow though so who is to say when it comes to war. I do agree though, this is most likely just the nature of the problem of trying to moderate such a massive amount of video content. Some will be caught in the net and attribute agency to the process when it was just completely random. I mean there is 50k watching a live stream of Kyiv right now.
can16358p 5y ago
Good in one sense though: people are really seeing how evil they are than ever before.

Twitter, Facebook and Google - reliable allies of evil everywhere in the world. I mean we knew that, but now it's like they're competing who is worse.

by glogla 5y ago

Twitter, Facebook and Google - reliable allies of evil everywhere in the world. I mean we knew that, but now it's like they're competing who is worse.

adventured 5y ago

The most interesting thing about this, is that the people that run big tech are all anti-Russia. They're in the Biden | Obama | Hillary camp, not the perceived Trump | Putin camp philosophically (the far left regards Trump and Putin as being aligned and view that as one connected political union; and they view themselves as being specifically on the other side of that; the people in charge of Twitter, Facebook, Google are all far left and very anti-Trump | Putin). Big tech more likely wants to censor the Kremlin than the pro Ukraine wing. Which leads me to believe this is YouTube getting trapped in its own algorithmic approach to moderation, until or unless they can manually intervene.

glogla 5y ago
I don't think they're anti-Russia or anti-anything really, they're pro-being-even-more-insanely-rich and that can materialize in many ways, like talking about being in one camp while doing things that help the other, no matter which camps those are.
rurp 5y ago
I believe those are weakly held beliefs relative to their strongly held belief of making piles of money. Despite the lip service Google and others haven't exactly been going out of their way to help improve democracy and institutions in recent years.
- adventured 5y ago
  What piles of money? Russia is an entirely irrelevant source of income for them. And if that were true, they would not have de-platformed Trump and they wouldn't take down lots of other high traffic content (eg anti vax) that they do. Russia has a mediocre economy, mediocre median standard of living, mediocre consumer economy, zero economic growth for a decade, and a disaster of a future economically going forward. US big tech all by itself generates more surplus cash (capital available for saving after expenses) every year than the entire nation of Russia does. Russia is an economic weakling and provides no great allure for big tech.
  - rurp 5y ago
    I don't mean that these companies are literally shilling for Russia directly. Rather it's that their entire approach is based around maximizing revenue, regardless of the consequences. Deferring all decisions to an opaque algorithm isn't the most responsible approach, it's just the cheapest. Worrying about externalities of their services costs money and produces little, so they mostly don't. The fact that their approach can be used to help horrendous warmongers is not intentional, but maintaining a system that can be used in that way is.
AlexandrB 5y ago
> the far left regards Trump and Putin as being aligned and view that as one connected political union I mean, it's not like this idea is unfounded. Trump has praised Putin many times, including during the current invasion. Meanwhile, Putin has been very friendly towards Trump. I think the "Russian election interference" stuff is very overblown, but it's pretty clear that Trump respects (and maybe even idolizes) Putin. One other problem with what you said is that I think the cause and effect goes the other way. The democrats are anti-Trump in part because he's pro Putin. They're not anti-Putin because Putin is pro-Trump. Being anti-Putin is very simply a matter of being anti-dictator and doesn't require tying Putin to a controversial US political figure.
- adventured 5y ago
  Who said anything about it being unfounded. That was quite obviously not the point. The point was: big tech is exclusively run by people that dislike the perceived Trump | Putin axis, and there's nothing to debate about it frankly, it's something beyond overwhelmingly the case. I stated no position on whether I thought that was good or bad. There was no problem with what I said in fact. I never declared cause and effect (order to why such was the case), that'd be a pointless distraction from the core (and would merely prompt endless opinion thrashing based on partisan beliefs on this forum, or most any forum these days). I simply stated the part that they're quite obviously anti-Putin, and they are. Why for the purposes of the thread doesn't matter. Thus it's more interesting that they'd be blocking pro-Ukraine content and most likely indicates it's not their preference and is an automation problem that they'll have to manually act against.
- flavius29663 5y ago
  Trump might say he likes Putin and Xi and that fat fuck in NK, but nevertheless he started a trade war against China, sent the first Javelins to Ukraine after Obama didn't want to do so, blocked NS2(that Biden rushed to unblock in his first week!), sent more troops to Poland and all Eastern Europe countries, strongly "encouraged" NATO countries to up their spending on defense etc. It's almost like the conman Trump says one and does the other, but because he's our political nemesis this does not matter anymore, and all of the sudden we start believing what he says and not look at the actions. Tell me, is this praising Putin, or trying to put some sense into Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyuW51M_fI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRyuW51M_fI https://publimetros.publimetro.us/2018/07/trump-blasts-allies-says-germany-is.html https://publimetros.publimetro.us/2018/07/trump-blasts-allie...
graphpercolator 5y ago
Sergey Brin was born in Moscow though so who is to say when it comes to war. I do agree though, this is most likely just the nature of the problem of trying to moderate such a massive amount of video content. Some will be caught in the net and attribute agency to the process when it was just completely random. I mean there is 50k watching a live stream of Kyiv right now.

can16358p 5y ago

Good in one sense though: people are really seeing how evil they are than ever before.