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Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? DDOSing Russian news websites just allows them to cry victim - “look, they don’t want you to hear

by jl6 5y ago

Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? DDOSing Russian news websites just allows them to cry victim - “look, they don’t want you to hear the truth!”. Disrupting the Russian internet in general also harms any anti-war protesters trying to organize.

amcoastal 5y ago
It is the job of the Russian people to stand up and refuse to participate in this conflict. Anything that makes their lives harder so they are more likely to do that, as opposed to just sitting around on their ass, is a good thing. The Russians need to band together and topple their dictator state, they are acting unethically and there needs to be a groundswell of support to oust someone like Putin. Simple democracy will not work there to change things like it could in the U.S. (voters were able to get rid of Bush for being a war monger).
- dogweather 5y ago
  > in this conflict They don't know there's a war going on.
- cik2e 5y ago
  Voters kept Bush Jr. in office for a second term. Term limits got rid of him. If you're referring to Bush Sr., then this is also incorrect. The economy and Ross Perot got rid of him.
- Ntrails 5y ago
  It's the job of the Canadian people to stand up to oppression and fight the governmental overreach... etc etc
  - amcoastal 5y ago
    Yes. It is. What's your point? If the truckers of Canada try to shut down the country over a vaccine mandate, seems the Russians should consider this a reason to do their best to shut down Russia.
    - Ntrails 5y ago
      My point is _look how well it went for them in an incredibly non authoritarian regime_. Look how effectively they changed policy! Look how little personal cost it has had! People like to act as though they'd be the person in the crowd who would rush a lone gunman first. Sure - you'll die, but the group will get the gunman and everything will be better. They definitely love to proclaim that some other bugger in that situation should be willing to take the bullet. I, personally, hope I never have to make the decision between dying doing the right thing and living doing the easy thing. I've no intention of judging those who do.
      - amcoastal 5y ago
        Yeah but it was a very small minority that were protesting. Why? Because they were protesting a vaccine mandate which isn't literal evil. Every Russian that isn't a piece of shit should be protesting this and shutting down the entire country.
        ttybird2 5y ago
        Please see my other comment in this thread. Either there is some hypocrisy involved or you just called basically everyone here (probably including yourself) a "piece of shit" for not shutting down the USA during its various invasions in the last 20 years. Just because a country claims to represent you, you don't have the moral obligation to oppose it while risking your personal wellbeing.
- ttybird2 5y ago
  Would you say the same for the Americans and USA's warmongering? Or for the Jewish people and the situation at Gaza? Voters got rid of Bush but this did not stop the unjust American wars. The Russian citizens are people just like us, powerless and with their own peace to protect.
  - whateveracct 5y ago
    Voters in fact did not get rid of Bush. Unless you mean HW.
    - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
      Maybe they're giving the US credit for not giving Bush more terms than he was legally allowed to serve, which is more than you can say for Russia/Putin.
purple_ferret 5y ago
Russian 'news' is claiming Ukrainian Nazis are massacring ethnic Russians. They don't need a legitimate excuse. Anyway, most Russians probably thought this was all bluster by the West and Russia wasn't going in. They need to know they're engaged in an actual war.
- _joel 5y ago
  Especially given that Ukranian President Zelenskiy is Jewish.
- WinstonSmith84 5y ago
  this. Not sure why this comment is downvoted. For anyone not speaking Russian, just head to Google News (with Chrome), pick the Russian news and translate into English and read the headlines (or if you're too lazy open this URL under Chrome https://news.google.com/topstories?hl=ru&gl=RU&ceid=RU:ru https://news.google.com/topstories?hl=ru&gl=RU&ceid=RU:ru). The comment above is a pretty accurate picture: protecting Ukrainian civilians, soldiers defecting to Russian side without even a fight, military generals telling success stories of their daily peace keeping operations and other face palming tales such as indeed a repeated idea that they fight against nazis to protect motherland under threat from evil NATO and the Americans.
- Merem 5y ago
  I mean, do you deny that the Ukrainian army has been shelling civilians in the separatist regions? A fellow countryman moved there since no one of the press bothered to report over the years and she confirmed it. And even apart from that, it's not like reports from the OSCE and UN aren't available. Furthermore, considering that the Ukrainian government enacted language and racial laws (can be easily looked up) and employs right-wing extremist military groups like the Azov Battalion as National Guard...it should give you something to think about. But well, most just blindly consume US(-controlled) media without doing some basic fact-checking even, let alone engage in critical thinking.
  - FollowingTheDao 5y ago
    There is a serious issue with neo-nazi's in Ukraine who the U.S. supports because they are anti-russia. (I feel like I am living during the beginning of the Iraq war all over again.)
rvz 5y ago
> Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? No defensive or tactical advantage whatsoever. It just means that they have nothing to fight with. Internet field marshals that are doing last minute squeaking towards Russia. They are at best reactionary attacks which are predictable and easily mitigated against.

by jl6 5y ago

amcoastal 5y ago

It is the job of the Russian people to stand up and refuse to participate in this conflict. Anything that makes their lives harder so they are more likely to do that, as opposed to just sitting around on their ass, is a good thing. The Russians need to band together and topple their dictator state, they are acting unethically and there needs to be a groundswell of support to oust someone like Putin. Simple democracy will not work there to change things like it could in the U.S. (voters were able to get rid of Bush for being a war monger).

dogweather 5y ago
> in this conflict They don't know there's a war going on.
cik2e 5y ago
Voters kept Bush Jr. in office for a second term. Term limits got rid of him. If you're referring to Bush Sr., then this is also incorrect. The economy and Ross Perot got rid of him.
Ntrails 5y ago
It's the job of the Canadian people to stand up to oppression and fight the governmental overreach... etc etc
- amcoastal 5y ago
  Yes. It is. What's your point? If the truckers of Canada try to shut down the country over a vaccine mandate, seems the Russians should consider this a reason to do their best to shut down Russia.
  - Ntrails 5y ago
    My point is _look how well it went for them in an incredibly non authoritarian regime_. Look how effectively they changed policy! Look how little personal cost it has had! People like to act as though they'd be the person in the crowd who would rush a lone gunman first. Sure - you'll die, but the group will get the gunman and everything will be better. They definitely love to proclaim that some other bugger in that situation should be willing to take the bullet. I, personally, hope I never have to make the decision between dying doing the right thing and living doing the easy thing. I've no intention of judging those who do.
    - amcoastal 5y ago
      Yeah but it was a very small minority that were protesting. Why? Because they were protesting a vaccine mandate which isn't literal evil. Every Russian that isn't a piece of shit should be protesting this and shutting down the entire country.
      - ttybird2 5y ago
        Please see my other comment in this thread. Either there is some hypocrisy involved or you just called basically everyone here (probably including yourself) a "piece of shit" for not shutting down the USA during its various invasions in the last 20 years. Just because a country claims to represent you, you don't have the moral obligation to oppose it while risking your personal wellbeing.
ttybird2 5y ago
Would you say the same for the Americans and USA's warmongering? Or for the Jewish people and the situation at Gaza? Voters got rid of Bush but this did not stop the unjust American wars. The Russian citizens are people just like us, powerless and with their own peace to protect.
- whateveracct 5y ago
  Voters in fact did not get rid of Bush. Unless you mean HW.
  - TheCoelacanth 5y ago
    Maybe they're giving the US credit for not giving Bush more terms than he was legally allowed to serve, which is more than you can say for Russia/Putin.

purple_ferret 5y ago

Russian 'news' is claiming Ukrainian Nazis are massacring ethnic Russians. They don't need a legitimate excuse. Anyway, most Russians probably thought this was all bluster by the West and Russia wasn't going in. They need to know they're engaged in an actual war.

_joel 5y ago
Especially given that Ukranian President Zelenskiy is Jewish.
WinstonSmith84 5y ago
this. Not sure why this comment is downvoted. For anyone not speaking Russian, just head to Google News (with Chrome), pick the Russian news and translate into English and read the headlines (or if you're too lazy open this URL under Chrome https://news.google.com/topstories?hl=ru&gl=RU&ceid=RU:ru https://news.google.com/topstories?hl=ru&gl=RU&ceid=RU:ru). The comment above is a pretty accurate picture: protecting Ukrainian civilians, soldiers defecting to Russian side without even a fight, military generals telling success stories of their daily peace keeping operations and other face palming tales such as indeed a repeated idea that they fight against nazis to protect motherland under threat from evil NATO and the Americans.
Merem 5y ago
I mean, do you deny that the Ukrainian army has been shelling civilians in the separatist regions? A fellow countryman moved there since no one of the press bothered to report over the years and she confirmed it. And even apart from that, it's not like reports from the OSCE and UN aren't available. Furthermore, considering that the Ukrainian government enacted language and racial laws (can be easily looked up) and employs right-wing extremist military groups like the Azov Battalion as National Guard...it should give you something to think about. But well, most just blindly consume US(-controlled) media without doing some basic fact-checking even, let alone engage in critical thinking.
- FollowingTheDao 5y ago
  There is a serious issue with neo-nazi's in Ukraine who the U.S. supports because they are anti-russia. (I feel like I am living during the beginning of the Iraq war all over again.)

rvz 5y ago

> Really, how much defensive value does this have for Ukraine? No defensive or tactical advantage whatsoever. It just means that they have nothing to fight with. Internet field marshals that are doing last minute squeaking towards Russia. They are at best reactionary attacks which are predictable and easily mitigated against.