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Direct link to Patreon's statement: https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive
by tomerv 5y ago
Direct link to Patreon's statement: https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive https://blog.patreon.com/on-the-removal-of-come-back-alive
- cebert 5y agoI’m so disappointed with their stance here. Russians are slaughtered these folks and they can’t get funds to defend themselves? Sickening.
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- breakfastduck 5y agoWhile I wouldn't have stopped this myself, I think its perfectly reasonable for a crowdfunding website to not want to host campaigns used to purchase military grade weaponry.
- redwood 5y agoFreedom. What is being defended here is the right to have a website like this at all. The west has a long way to go to wake up to what's at stake here.
- newaccount2021 5y ago
- nojonestownpls 5y ago
- gruez 5y agoPatreon isn't against "freedom" and they most certainly know what's at stake here. What they're against is having to decide whether a cause is just or not. After all, one side's "freedom fighter" is another side's terrorist. In this case it might be pretty obvious, but they don't want to get in the habit of having to make calls, because there are far more cases that are less clear cut.
- breakfastduck 5y agoNo, it is not. Freedom != mass purchase of weapons through crowdfunding.
- saiya-jin 5y agoPatreon hosts tons of youtube channels focused only on weapons including purely military ones, how to make guns more effective (aka better at killing), how to tweak ammo to be more destructive. That's one fucked up schizophrenic stance, especially from US company in this specific conflict. Does Trump have any influence there by any chance, given his recent statements?
- IiydAbITMvJkqKf 5y ago> Does Trump have any influence there by any chance, given his recent statements? Interesting take to say the least.
- ejb999 5y ago
- unfocussed_mike 5y agoTrump campaigners and other alt-right types don't like Patreon due to prior disagreements; they literally founded an alternative platform with a parody name, to avoid it -- Hatreon.
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoAnd how well is that doing?
- unfocussed_mike 5y agoI don't really care :-)
- Jolter 5y agoThere is a difference to funding a gun blog or shooting-focused YouTube channel, versus training army personnel and buying guns for them.
- user-the-name 5y ago
- salawat 5y agoLets be clear. There is no difference between weaponry and military grade. That people entertain the notion is a sign of the softening of language and perversion of meaning by the political classes to justify breaking their own founding document to centralize power (in the case of the U.S.) There is weaponry, and there is volume. And if you want to completely sidestep these issues, get a mill, some metal, and get fabbing. Save the squishy little handwringers their conscience. My heart goes out to you folks. Give 'em hell.
- breakfastduck 5y agoWell it doesn't really matter. I can't blame them for not wanting to fund weaponry of any sort on a crowdfunding site.
- Cthulhu_ 5y agoEurope has promised 1.2 billion in aid and has been sending them armament for a while now. I much prefer countries and politicians sending them large sums than the small donations - of which Patreon and any payment processor in between gets a big cut - given by well-wishing common folk. That said, the US denied them financial aid though, Trump got impeached for withholding $400 million in military aid to Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_impeachment_of_Donald_Tr...) if they didn't investigate Joe Biden and took the blame for Russia's intervention in the 2016 elections.
- sam0x17 5y agoAre we even at a point now where money can make a difference? It seems like within 2-3 days the existing governmental structure will be seized, along with (I assume) funds that are being donated. Is it plausible that Ukrainian gov officials will retreat into NATO territory and continue to coordinate resistance from there, along with the still-pouring-in funds, or is that a pipe dream?
- HideousKojima 5y agoIn WW2 several countries invaded by Germany (and the USSR) set up "governments-in-exile" in London, so it certainly isn't unprecedented.
- kbelder 5y agoThe government of China fled to Hong Kong and is still there today... some people say.
- HideousKojima 5y agoYou mean Taiwan
- kbelder 5y agoThanks, it's amazing the things I know and still botch.
- squarefoot 5y agoThey have a valid point in not wanting to be used for funding military support, however the way they express concern for the safety of Ukrainian people without criticizing or even taking distance from Putin and the Russian invasion looks quite strange to me. Ukraine wasn't hit by a tornado or an earthquake; there's people behind the invasion, and Patreon seem to ignore that. Expressing disapproval against people behind the facts, and not merely the facts, is important.
- vageli 5y ago> Expressing disapproval against people behind the facts, and not merely the facts, is important. The platform is in a position to actually help beyond denouncing but they abstain. It is lip service nothing more.