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You can use World War II as a study case for that. Nazis could have been stopped sooner, instead some tried to appease them until it was too late.

by shmerl 5y ago

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toolz 5y ago
Or you could use Dessert Shield as a case study which has turned into pointless and incredibly long-lived war fronts.
- daveguy 5y ago
  This is more like the desert storm scenario than the desert shield scenario. One country invading another sovereign country. The boundaries were clear. No occupying force necessary. I'm not saying we should jump to boots on the ground war without exhausting other possibilities first, but this is very little like Afghanistan and even less like the second Iraq war.
slaw 5y ago
When do you think Germans should be stopped and who was going to stop them?
- shmerl 5y ago
  After they attacked Poland. Second question is self answered since they eventually were stopped, so start from that list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#War_breaks_out_in_Europe_(1939–40) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#War_breaks_out_in...
  - slaw 5y ago
    I know they period of history well enough. When Germany invaded Poland, Soviet Union was ally to Germany and no country was interested in helping Poland.
    - shmerl 5y ago
      Exactly the point. They waited for too long to start acting seriously, thinking the problem won't affect them directly. Parallels with Ukraine and no one helping it directly thinking the problem will stop there are pretty obvious.
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    Why were you okay with them conquering Czechoslovakia and Austria? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to stop them then?
throwawaylinux 5y ago
Thank you for the response and your perspective. One can and should use lots of history as a case study I agree. This is not the same situation though so I don't think it would be responsible to just say Putin is like Hitler and this is like the invasion of Poland therefore I will send other people to fight a war with some unspecified goal, and just leave it at that. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong or you haven't thought more deeply about it, perhaps you don't have time or interest in giving a more lengthy answer.
- shmerl 5y ago
  How is this different though? Why do you assume this power hungry maniac dictator will want to stop at any point voluntarily more than the previous one did? Also, HN doesn't like long discussions with its irritating "commenting too fast" filter, so I'll answer the comment below - good point about Czechoslovakia and Austria. That already could be seen as a sign of what's to come, but the more it escalated, the stronger it should have been apparent.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    How are Russian troops entering Ukraine different from Germany invading Poland? Well probably quite a lot. Sort of a hard question obviously there are differences and similarities I don't want to get into just listing things out and arguing why the differences or similarities matter or don't matter. I hardly even know what's going on in the region now and my WWII history is not fantastic, so I don't think it would be too productive. I would be interested to hear you to explain it if you believe they are similar (if you want to). Do you think this is more similar to Crimea 2014 or Poland 1939, for example? Or maybe you think Crimea 2014 was the same as Poland as well?
    - shmerl 5y ago
      The main parallel is that it's about a power maniac who won't stop until he is stopped. Or to put it differently, he'll take as long as he can. So the question you should be asking, will he stop with Ukraine if he'll take it?

You can use World War II as a study case for that. Nazis could have been stopped sooner, instead some tried to appease them until it was too late.

by shmerl 5y ago

You can use World War II as a study case for that. Nazis could have been stopped sooner, instead some tried to appease them until it was too late.

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toolz 5y ago

Or you could use Dessert Shield as a case study which has turned into pointless and incredibly long-lived war fronts.

daveguy 5y ago
This is more like the desert storm scenario than the desert shield scenario. One country invading another sovereign country. The boundaries were clear. No occupying force necessary. I'm not saying we should jump to boots on the ground war without exhausting other possibilities first, but this is very little like Afghanistan and even less like the second Iraq war.

slaw 5y ago

When do you think Germans should be stopped and who was going to stop them?

shmerl 5y ago
After they attacked Poland. Second question is self answered since they eventually were stopped, so start from that list. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#War_breaks_out_in_Europe_(1939–40) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#War_breaks_out_in...
- slaw 5y ago
  I know they period of history well enough. When Germany invaded Poland, Soviet Union was ally to Germany and no country was interested in helping Poland.
  - shmerl 5y ago
    Exactly the point. They waited for too long to start acting seriously, thinking the problem won't affect them directly. Parallels with Ukraine and no one helping it directly thinking the problem will stop there are pretty obvious.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  Why were you okay with them conquering Czechoslovakia and Austria? Wouldn't it have been cheaper to stop them then?

throwawaylinux 5y ago

Thank you for the response and your perspective. One can and should use lots of history as a case study I agree. This is not the same situation though so I don't think it would be responsible to just say Putin is like Hitler and this is like the invasion of Poland therefore I will send other people to fight a war with some unspecified goal, and just leave it at that. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong or you haven't thought more deeply about it, perhaps you don't have time or interest in giving a more lengthy answer.

shmerl 5y ago
How is this different though? Why do you assume this power hungry maniac dictator will want to stop at any point voluntarily more than the previous one did? Also, HN doesn't like long discussions with its irritating "commenting too fast" filter, so I'll answer the comment below - good point about Czechoslovakia and Austria. That already could be seen as a sign of what's to come, but the more it escalated, the stronger it should have been apparent.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  How are Russian troops entering Ukraine different from Germany invading Poland? Well probably quite a lot. Sort of a hard question obviously there are differences and similarities I don't want to get into just listing things out and arguing why the differences or similarities matter or don't matter. I hardly even know what's going on in the region now and my WWII history is not fantastic, so I don't think it would be too productive. I would be interested to hear you to explain it if you believe they are similar (if you want to). Do you think this is more similar to Crimea 2014 or Poland 1939, for example? Or maybe you think Crimea 2014 was the same as Poland as well?
  - shmerl 5y ago
    The main parallel is that it's about a power maniac who won't stop until he is stopped. Or to put it differently, he'll take as long as he can. So the question you should be asking, will he stop with Ukraine if he'll take it?