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would like companies to allows proof of covid antibodies for those who have natural immunity. CDC released a chart showing that natural inoculation is slightly

would like companies to allows proof of covid antibodies for those who have natural immunity. CDC released a chart showing that natural inoculation is slightly more effective than just the vaccine w/ no natural immunity (vaccine + natural immunity being most effective by tiny margin). [1] Natural immunity also lasts longer than the vaccine, no booster required for at least a year, data is showing up to 2 years. The self-attestation that companies require for in-office work should change from "I have received the Covid vaccine" to "I am inoculated against Covid". [1]: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm#F1_down https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm#F1_down

peteradio 5y ago
I've thought about this "acceptance" of natural immunity idea (a lot). I came to the personal conclusion that I'd rather not have another burden to my employment whatsoever. Frig off my health concerns work, go on get off of it, get on out.
biomcgary 5y ago
The CDC figure shows that it is quite reasonable to change mandates to: you must be vaccinated OR have natural immunity from prior exposure. With the vast majority of most populations falling into one of those two categories, we no longer have to worry about a large bump in hospitalizations due to people intentionally exposing themselves to the virus. The scientific rationales for maintaining the vaccine-only mandates are dwindling rapidly.
vineyardmike 5y ago
I think there is still uncertainty as to how long the "natural immunity" lasts. I haven't seen any data that backs up what you've claimed. From what i've seen its pretty inconsistent person to person compared to the vaccine. Considering how easy and available the vaccine is, i don't understand the issue with requiring the vax over natural immunity. While its healthy to debate about the science, the reality is that a lot of the covid discussion is just the american culture war, and thin scientific data is being co-opted to prove some point du jour
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  >I think there is still uncertainty as to how long the "natural immunity" lasts. >SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I don't think natural inoculation should have to provide more proof than the vaccine. Many just wanted to send a paternalistic message so people don't voluntary infect themselves instead of getting vaccinated. I doubt there is more behind it.
- devmunchies 5y ago
  Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-isra...

peteradio 5y ago

I've thought about this "acceptance" of natural immunity idea (a lot). I came to the personal conclusion that I'd rather not have another burden to my employment whatsoever. Frig off my health concerns work, go on get off of it, get on out.

biomcgary 5y ago

The CDC figure shows that it is quite reasonable to change mandates to: you must be vaccinated OR have natural immunity from prior exposure. With the vast majority of most populations falling into one of those two categories, we no longer have to worry about a large bump in hospitalizations due to people intentionally exposing themselves to the virus. The scientific rationales for maintaining the vaccine-only mandates are dwindling rapidly.

vineyardmike 5y ago

I think there is still uncertainty as to how long the "natural immunity" lasts. I haven't seen any data that backs up what you've claimed. From what i've seen its pretty inconsistent person to person compared to the vaccine. Considering how easy and available the vaccine is, i don't understand the issue with requiring the vax over natural immunity. While its healthy to debate about the science, the reality is that a lot of the covid discussion is just the american culture war, and thin scientific data is being co-opted to prove some point du jour

GeekyBear 5y ago
>I think there is still uncertainty as to how long the "natural immunity" lasts. >SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4
raxxorrax 5y ago
I don't think natural inoculation should have to provide more proof than the vaccine. Many just wanted to send a paternalistic message so people don't voluntary infect themselves instead of getting vaccinated. I doubt there is more behind it.
devmunchies 5y ago
Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-isra...