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I'm so sorry. But the truth is that you don't stand a chance. Russia will get what it wants (it got the support of China that will offset any sanctions the the

I'm so sorry. But the truth is that you don't stand a chance. Russia will get what it wants (it got the support of China that will offset any sanctions the the West might impose) I really hope you will stay safe.

jevgeni 5y ago
Russia can't even get a gas pipeline to all of its cities
sillysaurusx 5y ago
Everyone already knows that. It's not helpful to say it, you know.
replwoacause 5y ago
Ukraine will make Russia suffer though as they seem very determined to protect their country. And the rest of the world will make Russia suffer economically. So this is a lose-lose situation.
- adventured 5y ago
  Ukraine was always going to lose, going up against Russia, as would most nations. Lose-lose is a better option for the people of Ukraine, if you accept they are desiring to defend themselves (which will entail a higher death toll); the other scenario is Russia wins (taking no losses) and Ukraine loses (nearly everything). Ukraine can make Russia suffer if the West has given them enough weapons to do so. I'm skeptical that they did in time. They had seven years after Crimea to help Ukraine, and waited far too long to do it to a great enough degree.
  - troyvit 5y ago
    That reminds me Finland's fights with the Soviet Union[1]. I can't find the quote now but at some point they said something along the lines of "We didn't win the Winter War but we came in a close second!" [1]https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-finland-lost-world-war-ii-the-soviets-won-peace-17412 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-finland-lost-world-...
- zamalek 5y ago
  All war is lose-lose.
  - coryfklein 5y ago
    For the active participants, yes. I'm not so sure this applies to the ruling class though.
scottLobster 5y ago
And? If bullying is unavoidable, the next best thing is to make the bully give a pound of flesh for the privilege.
asveikau 5y ago
Putin is alienating a lot of ordinary citizens, though. Do you think Ukrainians will peacefully consent to be governed for years after this? There is precedent in history for this kind of outcome, but that wound would be there for a long time.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
> it got the support of China that will offset any sanctions the the West might impose If China does this overtly, "the west" / NATO may cut them off as well.

jevgeni 5y ago

Russia can't even get a gas pipeline to all of its cities

sillysaurusx 5y ago

Everyone already knows that. It's not helpful to say it, you know.

replwoacause 5y ago

Ukraine will make Russia suffer though as they seem very determined to protect their country. And the rest of the world will make Russia suffer economically. So this is a lose-lose situation.

adventured 5y ago
Ukraine was always going to lose, going up against Russia, as would most nations. Lose-lose is a better option for the people of Ukraine, if you accept they are desiring to defend themselves (which will entail a higher death toll); the other scenario is Russia wins (taking no losses) and Ukraine loses (nearly everything). Ukraine can make Russia suffer if the West has given them enough weapons to do so. I'm skeptical that they did in time. They had seven years after Crimea to help Ukraine, and waited far too long to do it to a great enough degree.
- troyvit 5y ago
  That reminds me Finland's fights with the Soviet Union[1]. I can't find the quote now but at some point they said something along the lines of "We didn't win the Winter War but we came in a close second!" [1]https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-finland-lost-world-war-ii-the-soviets-won-peace-17412 https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-finland-lost-world-...
zamalek 5y ago
All war is lose-lose.
- coryfklein 5y ago
  For the active participants, yes. I'm not so sure this applies to the ruling class though.

scottLobster 5y ago

And? If bullying is unavoidable, the next best thing is to make the bully give a pound of flesh for the privilege.

asveikau 5y ago

Putin is alienating a lot of ordinary citizens, though. Do you think Ukrainians will peacefully consent to be governed for years after this? There is precedent in history for this kind of outcome, but that wound would be there for a long time.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

> it got the support of China that will offset any sanctions the the West might impose If China does this overtly, "the west" / NATO may cut them off as well.