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They gave up those nukes with the promise we would protect them. That trick of ours won’t work again.
by zionic 5y ago
They gave up those nukes with the promise we would protect them.
That trick of ours won’t work again.
- xyzzy_plugh 5y agoIt's funny, or maybe sad, how so many people did not see this coming. All the propaganda and social engineering to get Biden associated with Ukraine so that when he tried to throw his hat in the ring, his own country will be alarmed. Going to end up looking like a fucking 9000 IQ play by Russia here, but hopefully the world proves me wrong.
- shigawire 5y agoIf you pursue party of the internet susceptible to disinfo this is already what is being trotted out. "Biden only wants to intervene because of Hunters business dealings!"
- asdff 5y agoWe would protect them. If Russia nuked Kyev goodbye surface of the earth. Likewise if Ukraine still had nukes and sent one at moscow.
- Johnny555 5y agoI'd be surprised if the USA started an all out nuclear war no matter what Russia did to Ukraine.
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- swader999 5y agoI could see it happening accidentally.
- nradov 5y agoThe US would not retaliate militarily if Russia used nuclear weapons against Ukraine. That is not part of US nuclear doctrine. Ukraine is not a treaty ally.
- rurban 5y agoBut they promised to protect the Ukraine. With the UK and China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...
- VictorPath 5y ago
- creato 5y agoNo, they promised to respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty. You literally linked it.
- Thorrez 5y agoThere are 6 things on the list. This one is the closest to promising to defend Ukraine: >Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used". I don't know exactly what "Seek immediate Security Council action" means. What if the US seeks it and doesn't find it? Is that in compliance with the memorandum?
- mdoms 5y agoYou're absolutely dreaming. USA is not a reliable ally.
- wyager 5y agoThe premise is not just that nukes are a deterrent against nuclear warfare, but also that nukes are a deterrent against conventional warfare. I'm not sure any country except israel is super explicit about this (cf Samson Option) but presumably the implicit or quietly explicit threat is there.
- Thorrez 5y agoWas there a promise that the US would defend them? I don't see that in the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances#Content https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit... What I do see is a promise made by both the US and Russia to "[r]efrain from the threat or the use of force against [...] Ukraine." So Russia definitely broke the promise, and I don't see where the US broke it.