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Dmitri Alperovitc: “Putin speech is over. Chilling. War has begun”
- martythemaniak 5y agoThis is madness.
- vba616 5y ago"Though this be madness, yet there is method in 't"
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- exdsq 5y agoAs strong my opinions are on this, there are both sides on this site and we should avoid pointless arguments that can’t go anywhere. A much more interesting topic is how anything can be done to help those in need escape war, provide for their families, reduce casualties, or push for de-escalation.
- app4soft 5y ago@dan, please, pin this comment! Follow for live updates on ongoing attack on Ukraine by Putin's Russia and Russian: - https://twitter.com/Liveuamap https://twitter.com/Liveuamap - https://twitter.com/lookner https://twitter.com/lookner - Enable TV.
- petercooper 5y agoThere's a good live Twitter space going on right now collecting together live news: https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1MYxNnOXoqoxw/peek https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1MYxNnOXoqoxw/peek
- app4soft 5y agoThe guy I know, living in Kharkiv, just reported: > KHARKIV ATTACKED (by Russia)! [0] According breaking reports: Kyiv, Kharkiv, Kramatorsk, Odesa, Boryspil just attacked too. Also, just over my house flew some military aircraft in direction Kropyvnytskyy N.B. I'm Ukrainian living in central Ukraine, here is my statement for Hacker News: > To be clear, I and my family would stay and resist — I has no plans to leave Ukraine; I would defend if it would be needed as long, as possible.[1,2] My Patreon: https://patreon.com/app4soft https://patreon.com/app4soft P.S. God, what the hell? [0] https://twitter.com/PashaXVI/status/1496684796176699395 https://twitter.com/PashaXVI/status/1496684796176699395 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897 [2] https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1495912197272313859 https://twitter.com/app4soft/status/1495912197272313859
- vba616 5y agoHas attacked or is attacked?
- csee 5y agoPutin also ominously threatened anyone who intervened with destruction. Veiled nuclear threat. He is a fucking crazy person.
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- throwaway5752 5y agoWith the support of Tucker Carlson, just an hour ago: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496668655727349763 https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1496668655727349763 "Ukraine isn't a democracy. It's a State Department client state."
- phendrenad2 5y agoAmericans always find a way to make all news about random American political commentors.
- throwaway5752 5y agoThe fact that a portion of the US political population is under active measure psyops compounds the current circumstances.
- b0sk 5y agoCandace Owens says WE are at fault https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1496124028968394765?s=21 https://twitter.com/realcandaceo/status/1496124028968394765?...
- csee 5y agoUnbelievable. They talk a big game when it comes to freedom but are supporting a repressive dictator who hates their freedom.
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- WoahNoun 5y agoThe ego of one man will result in massive bloodshed and an international crisis. This is absolutely insane.
- smsm42 5y agoIt's not one man. A lot of people in Russia, unfortunately, share the insanity spewed by Putin, and itch to show those dumb Ukrainians that they do not deserve to be anything but subjects of the Great Russian Empire. That's one of the reasons he's doing it - because he knows a lot of people want him to.
- PradeetPatel 5y agoAt these unprecedented times like this I wish the United Nations can take decisive actions against aggression of this nature. Our thoughts and prayers are with the citizens of Ukraine, stay strong.
- jimmygrapes 5y agoPretty sure Russia is in rotation to be head of the UN Security Council right now. Not sure how that's working out.
- ceejayoz 5y agoHead or otherwise, they've got a permanent veto on anything the Security Council does. So do China, the US, France, and the UK.
- jlmorton 5y agoUnited Nations Resolution 377 [1] "Reaffirming the importance of the exercise by the Security Council of its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security, and the duty of the permanent members to seek unanimity and to exercise restraint in the use of the veto, ... "Conscious that failure of the Security Council to discharge its responsibilities on behalf of all the Member States… does not relieve Member States of their obligations or the United Nations of its responsibility under the Charter to maintain international peace and security, "Recognizing in particular that such failure does not deprive the General Assembly of its rights or relieve it of its responsibilities under the Charter in regard to the maintenance of international peace and security, ... "Resolves that if the Security Council, because of lack of unanimity of the permanent members, fails to exercise its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security in any case where there appears to be a threat to the peace, breach of the peace, or act of aggression, the General Assembly shall consider the matter immediately with a view to making appropriate recommendations to Members for collective measures, including in the case of a breach of the peace or act of aggression the use of armed force when necessary, to maintain or restore international peace and security." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_377 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...
- jmyeet 5y agoThis is insane. I honestly thought it wouldn't get to this point. Like what is the upside here (for Putin)? They can't expect to occupy Ukraine. Regime change? The US and NATO won't want to get into direct military conflict with Russia so Ukraine looks like they just have to take an L and Russia gets hit with more sanctions. The sad part (beyond the obvious tragedy of war) is that Russia actually had a point: if the tables were turned, the US wouldn't accept a hostile military alliance on its border so why should Russia? Worse, the US and NATO didn't really want Ukraine in NATO either because they don't want to get dragged into a war (as they would now be if Ukraine was a NATO member) but they don't want to say that or make that concession. But that doesn't matter now. Any legitimate points Putin had are irrelevant because they don't justify invasion.
- dannyw 5y agoWhy do you think they can't? Biden is so unpopular right now, there's only political downside to US or NATO intervention.
- grrger 5y ago
- kasey_junk 5y agoOnly because I didn’t know and was curious about context, Biden is more popular now (as judged by aggregate approval rating ala 538) than Trump was at this point in his presidency (43% vs 39%). He’s about the same as Trumps average approval rating for the rest of his term until the end when Trumps rating tanked. Biden is lower than any other candidate they’ve tracked at this point but Clinton had a lower period earlier and Truman had a lower period very soon after this point in his presidency.
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- rvz 5y agoI mean the prediction he made about the Taliban impossibly invading Afghanistan well there's that and most certainly that went well (!). Now you have them pleading and begging to Putin on a weak foot after those events. Looks like war it is. All thanks to the Biden administration. Oh dear.
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- cinquemb 5y agoDecades of NATO encroachment and "Fuck The EU" Policy has people envisioning nuclear volleys… perhaps putin should have convinced mexico and cuba to host their military bases first ;) To think of all the ops from the MIC that have been running out of Ukraine since the Obama years might just go up in smoke… good way to get rid of a pay-per trail if you ask me…
- aceon48 5y agoI can't believe how many of you support WW3 vs Russia
- lostdog 5y ago"Let him have just a little bit of territory and I'm sure it will be fine," is a strategy with a particularly bad record when it comes to world wars.
- pinephoneguy 5y ago
- RedXIII 5y agoworked pretty well for the US though
- exdsq 5y agoThis won’t become WW3 - not if it’s ‘only’ Ukraine - but it could become a bloody proxy war. If it spread to a NATO country then it would likely escalate towards WW3.
- throwaway_4ever 5y agoI hate how weakened the term Hitler has become, being thrown around for slight grievances. This is not one of those times and it deserves more impact. Putin is the closest to our contemporary Hitler, all the way down to the fabricated invasion pretexts like Operation Canned Goods.
- ctdonath 5y agoBiden's spokesperson stated today "US will not send troops to help Ukraine under any scenario." Seems a concession, if not directive, to Russia to invade Ukraine.
- pinephoneguy 5y ago
- jazzyjackson 5y agoNot that I wanted to see US confront Russia, but threatening sanctions and nothing more really was giving Putin the go ahead.
- ctdonath 5y agoAgreed, there were numerous "green lights" given by Biden. This "will not send troops" comment was the most blunt/clear of all.
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- cottager2 5y agoThis isn’t about military alliances. It’s about self-determinism. The people of Ukraine don’t want to live under Russia’s boot anymore. They want a chance to prosper as their neighbors have as part of the EU. They want the right to decide the future for their children. That is enviable and worthy of support.
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- abnry 5y agoSo what is the next step for things to get worse? Are we heading towards another world war?
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- andrewinardeer 5y agoStop fearmongering. There is no visible Chinese military build up near Taiwan. Furthermore, China can't just waltz into Taiwan as it is seperated by sea.
- aaaaaaaaata 5y agoSubs.
- ipnon 5y agoAn invasion of Taiwan would require a months long military build up just like we've seen with this conflict. If China was preparing an invasion it would already be all over the news. The buildup would be visible even with the open source intelligence available to Twitter accounts.
- s5300 5y agoWell, Putin has very, clearly, plainly told us he’s going to start genociding several groups in Ukraine. He has also said any foreign military that attempts to intervene in this Russia-Ukraine conflict is going to be facing nukes. So we’re either going to watch a genocide & invasion happen in real time & do nothing meaningful about it, or we’re going to be possibly headed towards a world war if we do decide to do something meaningful about it. Quite the sticky situation, eh
- WesolyKubeczek 5y agoYou forgot to mention that we could blabber something about how dearly we hold human rights and have empathy and thoughts and prayers and other such kal.
- grrger 5y ago
- exikyut 5y agoFrom the perspective of someone completely naive to the situation: what's going on, and WHY is this happening? I partially ask "why?!" plaintively, because this is senseless. But I do also want to understand the... rationalization ("logic" is the wrong word) behind this action so I can be better informed, and I guess form some predictions about what might happen next, and maybe even get an idea about when this might end (?) :( To be clear, I already don't agree with what's going on, this is not how to solve disputes and disagreements (especially when the attacker has nuclear capability). I'm just looking for facts and positions on the countries involved here - something something editorialization and signal-to-noise ratio. The one mildly good thing I can think of right now is that the general commoditization of technology (TV, radio, phone, internet) hopefully means lot of people are aware of what's going on and, also hopefully, able to take decisive action and even collaborate and work together. Hopefully Ukraine prioritizes reinforcing the cell network :/. And if this is all-out war then hopefully extraordinary maneuvers are acceptable and supported to help innocent people stay far away from the line of fire. This doesn't feel like when the US occupied Afghanistan :(
- cottager2 5y agoRussia doesn’t want its sphere of influence to decrease. Ukraine has wanted to detach from Russia for a long while. Russia has responded with assassinations, destabilization by supporting rebels, propaganda, and now a full blown military invasion. This is about power. Your question is like asking why the Roman Empire expanded. Because they wanted to and they could.
- dragonwriter 5y ago> I partially ask "why?!" plaintively, because this is senseless Neither imperialist conquest nor the manufacturing of external crisis and conflict as an attempt to rally domestic support behind a leader are senseless; they both have internal logic and a whole lot of historic precedent of usefulness to the faction pursuing them.
- smsm42 5y ago"Why" is simple. Putin wants Ukraine, and he thinks the West is too weak, divided and dependent on Russian resources to do anything substantial about it.
- 07d046 5y agoAwful. A lot of people in threads a few days ago like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30335610 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30335610 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30405782 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30405782 were terribly wrong. This wasn't just Russia's annual war games in the region. This wasn't the US and media pushing for a war. If anything, this was the US declassifying things in real time to tell the world what was happening to prevent war.
- Yoofie 5y ago> This wasn't the US and media pushing for a war. Make no mistake, they were absolutely pushing for war.
- dragonwriter 5y agoMajor US media (and not just the ones usually perceived as hostile the current President’s party), has been openly mocking Administration descriptions, and scare-quoting “invasion” in headlines about the administration response as recently as today. Now, if you want to say actively undermining the effort at deterrence is pushing for war, sure, they were pushing for war, but...
- smsm42 5y agoI wish US security services didn't spend last 6 years working hard on having their credibility on anything regarding Russia sacrificed to near-sighted political goals. I wish US politicians didn't use "Russia" as a cheap smear to throw around when they couldn't think of anything better. Maybe if they didn't spend 6 years crying wolf, when the real wolf came, we'd be a bit more ready.
- TMWNN 5y ago>I wish US security services didn't spend last 6 years working hard on having their credibility on anything regarding Russia sacrificed to near-sighted political goals. I wish US politicians didn't use "Russia" as a cheap smear to throw around when they couldn't think of anything better. Maybe if they didn't spend 6 years crying wolf, when the real wolf came, we'd be a bit more ready. Heck, you still have dragonwriter elsewhere in this discussion connecting this war with Brexit, Trump, and even Catalonian separatism. Catalonian separatists will be amused to hear that they are all Russian stooges, or something.
- gammarator 5y agoCrypto is dropping fast
- dwighttk 5y agoAnd crypto is plummeting
- ehsankia 5y agoEverything is, stock markets, oil prices shooting up, etc. Uncertainty isn't good for futures.
- dwighttk 5y agoCrypto are futures? I thought they were a hedge for disasters
- rvz 5y agothat is a good thing. Was I surprised? No. [0] [1] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30368847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30368847 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30057769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30057769
- dwighttk 5y agoCrypto has bounced back
- ctdonath 5y agoTranscript of speech?
- jazzyjackson 5y agoRussia cannot feel safe and develop, exist without the constant threat emanating from the territory of modern Ukraine. Let me remind you that in 2000, 2005 we gave a military rebuff to terrorists in the Caucasus, we defended the integrity of our state, preserved Russia, and in 2014 we supported the people of Crimea and Sevastopol. In 2015, the armed forces were used to put a reliable barrier to prevent the penetration of terrorists from Syria to Russia. There was no other way we could protect ourselves. The same thing is happening now. You and I have simply not been given any other opportunity to protect Russia and our people except the one we will have to use today. Circumstances require us to act resolutely and immediately. The People's Republics of Donbass appealed to Russia for help. In this regard, in accordance with Article 51 of Part 7 of the UN Charter, with the approval of the Federation Council of Russia and pursuant to the Federal Assembly on February 22 of this year ratified treaties on friendship and mutual assistance with the Donetsk People's Republic and the Lugansk People's Republic I made a decision to conduct a special military operation. Its goal is to protect people who have been abused by the genocide of the Kyiv regime for 8 years. And to this end, we will strive for the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine, as well as bringing to justice those who committed numerous bloody crimes against civilians, including citizens of the Russian Federation. At the same time, our plans do not include the occupation of Ukrainian territories. We are not going to impose anything on anyone by force. At the same time, we hear more often lately from the West that documents signed by the Soviet totalitarian regime that fixed the results of the Second World War should we not be implemented. What can we respond to that? The results of the Second World War, as well as the sacrifices made by our people on the altar of the victory over Nazism, are sacred. But this does not contradict the high values of human rights and freedoms based on the realities that have developed during all post-war decades. It also does not cancel the right of nations to self-determination enshrined in Article 1 of the UN Charter. Let me remind you that when the USSR was created after the Second World War, people who lived in certain territories included in modern Ukraine, no one ever asked them how they themselves wanted to build their life. Our policy is based on freedom of choice for all to determine their own future and that of their children. [0] https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1496695058850107400 https://twitter.com/maryilyushina/status/1496695058850107400