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Lofty ideas, supported only by hope. They're a startup. That's what startups do. If you think they're wasting their time you're really on the wrong website rig

Lofty ideas, supported only by hope. They're a startup. That's what startups do. If you think they're wasting their time you're really on the wrong website right now.

klyrs 5y ago
Most startups fail. Declaring any one a waste of effort is statistically justified. Alternative reason to read HN: a sadistic desire to watch people fail, and say that I told you so.
- beepbooptheory 5y ago
  This is maybe unnecessarily harsh (but you do you). I too am mostly here in a more spectating mode when it comes to all the VC startup brained ideas, but its not primarily people that fail, its an entire system of thought, and the money that gets poured into it; its staunch belief in technological determinism combined with highly sophisticated investment schemes and plenty of capital. I am not going to the race to see the cars maybe crash, its enough to see the cars go round and round in circles.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    I am not motivated by the schadenfreude, myself. I was just speaking to motivations that one may have for hanging around a site with a significant startup readership.
- onion2k 5y ago
  Most startups fail. Declaring any one a waste of effort is statistically justified. IMO very few startups fail entirely. Plenty don't get to the point where they make a profit, and fewer still make a return for their investors, but there are lots of other things startups do that can be considered successes. For most startups failing is an event that comes at the end of a long journey filled with successes. It would be wrong to only consider the last step.
dymk 5y ago
I'm responding to: > Anything you can think of, they’ve thought of and it’s on their roadmap. Literally nothing about the linked site suggests that this is the case. The commenter I'm responding to is functioning on unbridled (and in my opinion, irrational) optimism for a company that has one demo video putting out a camp fire. It takes more than hope to run a company. You have to have a viable idea and execution plan, too.

Lofty ideas, supported only by hope. They're a startup. That's what startups do. If you think they're wasting their time you're really on the wrong website right now.

klyrs 5y ago

Most startups fail. Declaring any one a waste of effort is statistically justified. Alternative reason to read HN: a sadistic desire to watch people fail, and say that I told you so.

beepbooptheory 5y ago
This is maybe unnecessarily harsh (but you do you). I too am mostly here in a more spectating mode when it comes to all the VC startup brained ideas, but its not primarily people that fail, its an entire system of thought, and the money that gets poured into it; its staunch belief in technological determinism combined with highly sophisticated investment schemes and plenty of capital. I am not going to the race to see the cars maybe crash, its enough to see the cars go round and round in circles.
- klyrs 5y ago
  I am not motivated by the schadenfreude, myself. I was just speaking to motivations that one may have for hanging around a site with a significant startup readership.
onion2k 5y ago
Most startups fail. Declaring any one a waste of effort is statistically justified. IMO very few startups fail entirely. Plenty don't get to the point where they make a profit, and fewer still make a return for their investors, but there are lots of other things startups do that can be considered successes. For most startups failing is an event that comes at the end of a long journey filled with successes. It would be wrong to only consider the last step.

dymk 5y ago

I'm responding to: > Anything you can think of, they’ve thought of and it’s on their roadmap. Literally nothing about the linked site suggests that this is the case. The commenter I'm responding to is functioning on unbridled (and in my opinion, irrational) optimism for a company that has one demo video putting out a camp fire. It takes more than hope to run a company. You have to have a viable idea and execution plan, too.