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Insurance Data points to Millions of people with vaccine side effects in Germany

10 points by dukeofdoom 5y ago

dukeofdoom 5y ago
"JUST IN - Large German health insurance company analyzed data from 10.9 million insured individuals regarding vaccination complications. The new data is "alarming," says BKK board member Schöfbeck in a report by WELT." Twitter Discussion in English on the findings https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1496555793092685824 https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1496555793092685824
TrispusAttucks 5y ago
If you find this interesting you may want to check out the Best Seller "The Real Anthony Fauci" [1] by Rober F. Kennedy Jr. Your jaw will likely drop while reading it. All the studies and source material is cited at the end of every chapter and you can review much of the clinical data and decide for yourself. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Childrens/dp/1510766804/ https://www.amazon.com/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Children...
- NicoJuicy 5y ago
  The reviews are positive. I quickly looked at the author's personality and think it's a guy with the heart in a good place ( he had a role against Monsanto!), but a disturbed view of the world. I then looked at Faucci's response and he mentioned something similar as my first thoughts. I then looked at some of the examples and they are just wack and couldn't find proof of it. > Fauci repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies. It's a heated conspiracy book of a smart person of a well known family with a somewhat turbulent personal life, who benefits from funding money against anti-vaccine measures through his foundation. The difference is, that he's also trying to do good for the environment, which sounds kinda contradicting and hard to grasp for me. I've never seen that combination before.
  - TrispusAttucks 5y ago
    The AIDS scandal is in the second half of the book. The first half is the COVID pandemic. The book goes backwards through time following Fauci's rise through government and involvement with the FDA, NIH, NIAID. The AIDS scandal you mentioned is well documented. The BBC aired a documentary on it known as the Guinea Pig Kids [0][1][2]. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20070212002632/http://guineapigkids.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070212002632/http://guineapigk... [1] https://www.democracynow.org/2004/12/22/guinea_pig_kids_how_new_york https://www.democracynow.org/2004/12/22/guinea_pig_kids_how_... [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm
    - NicoJuicy 5y ago
      I'm not disputing scandals can exist, uncorrelated to this specific case. I'm disputing direct correlation with Faucci, which is a very different proof to give and this reasoning is highly subjective and much abused with conspiracy theories. After quickly looking it up: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-410618634223 https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-410618634223 https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/10/27/fauci-aids-drug-trial-on-kids/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/10/27/fauci-aids-drug-trial... Even here the so called proof by the author is misleading and this was just the first one i even bothered to look up. This was the main topic in the introduction of the book. I would expect better research instead of misleading one. Additionally, the first result on Google is literally the site of the author's foundation. Conspiracy theories are often based on far-fetched theories where the difference between truth and lies are misleading, similar to this example. --- I'm sorry, but this book didn't pass the smell test. Although I have to admit, it's a good attempt and it's been a while that I had to search for more than 5 minutes to be sure. Definitely because he actually seems to care about the environment, as mentioned before. --- One simple trick would be ( from my POV) that the more people are required to work together for a conspiracy-theory to be successfull. The less likely it is. Just look at the dozens of mistakes that are produced with one "unplanned live-show" orchestrated by a governement who prepared this for 8 years currently.
      - 5y ago
Vloeck 5y ago
welt.de is equivalent to Fox News, beware
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  It is not that bad, but they tend to scandalise hedgehogs attacking gardeners as a new world war.
- Vloeck 5y ago
  and the boss of the health insurance is an anti vaxxer. the whole "study" is pseudo scientific mumbo-jumbo
Arnt 5y ago
Their letter doesn't describe how they made the two groups comparable. They must've done something to compensate for differences in income/education/previous health. And how would they compensate for rule differences? Unvaccinated people were barred from dangerous activities such as team sports during much of the period.
mtmail 5y ago
This seems to be the central data slide https://twitter.com/DrNathanCole/status/1496594197390012417/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DrNathanCole/status/1496594197390012417/... The health insurance company filtered their data looking for the following side effects: - T88.0: (local) infection after vaccination - T88.1: skin irritation after vaccination - U12.9: non-further classified side effects after COVID19 vaccination, e.g. headache - Y59.9: non-further classified side effects after biological active substance and calculate 2% of the insured had side effects. That's compared to the Paul Eichlich Instite which reports 0.3% having had side effects. The institute used a mobile app where it was optional after vaccination to self-report. I used it. There's a link in the paperwork you receive at the vaccination center. I don't know any other person who used it. My opinion: the PEI data is probably underreported. The side effects listed here are harmless (compared to the outcry on German Twitter). Headache, skin irritation. In my family and friends almost everybody had one of the two at some point during their 3 vaccinations. Personally I'm very fine with 2% or 5% of the population having the listed side effects. I mean, compared to what effects COVID19 has on unvaccinated body. The insurance company could've filtered and reported severe side effects like myelitis which has classified codes, but didn't.
dukeofdoom 5y ago
Pfizer drops India vaccine application after regulator seeks local trial https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2A50GE https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2A50GE

10 points by dukeofdoom 5y ago

"JUST IN - Large German health insurance company analyzed data from 10.9 million insured individuals regarding vaccination complications. The new data is "alarming," says BKK board member Schöfbeck in a report by WELT." Twitter Discussion in English on the findings https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1496555793092685824 https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1496555793092685824

TrispusAttucks 5y ago

If you find this interesting you may want to check out the Best Seller "The Real Anthony Fauci" [1] by Rober F. Kennedy Jr. Your jaw will likely drop while reading it. All the studies and source material is cited at the end of every chapter and you can review much of the clinical data and decide for yourself. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Childrens/dp/1510766804/ https://www.amazon.com/Real-Anthony-Fauci-Democracy-Children...

NicoJuicy 5y ago
The reviews are positive. I quickly looked at the author's personality and think it's a guy with the heart in a good place ( he had a role against Monsanto!), but a disturbed view of the world. I then looked at Faucci's response and he mentioned something similar as my first thoughts. I then looked at some of the examples and they are just wack and couldn't find proof of it. > Fauci repeatedly violated federal laws to allow his Pharma partners to use impoverished and dark-skinned children as lab rats in deadly experiments with toxic AIDS and cancer chemotherapies. It's a heated conspiracy book of a smart person of a well known family with a somewhat turbulent personal life, who benefits from funding money against anti-vaccine measures through his foundation. The difference is, that he's also trying to do good for the environment, which sounds kinda contradicting and hard to grasp for me. I've never seen that combination before.
- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  The AIDS scandal is in the second half of the book. The first half is the COVID pandemic. The book goes backwards through time following Fauci's rise through government and involvement with the FDA, NIH, NIAID. The AIDS scandal you mentioned is well documented. The BBC aired a documentary on it known as the Guinea Pig Kids [0][1][2]. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20070212002632/http://guineapigkids.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070212002632/http://guineapigk... [1] https://www.democracynow.org/2004/12/22/guinea_pig_kids_how_new_york https://www.democracynow.org/2004/12/22/guinea_pig_kids_how_... [2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm
  - NicoJuicy 5y ago
    I'm not disputing scandals can exist, uncorrelated to this specific case. I'm disputing direct correlation with Faucci, which is a very different proof to give and this reasoning is highly subjective and much abused with conspiracy theories. After quickly looking it up: https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-410618634223 https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-410618634223 https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/10/27/fauci-aids-drug-trial-on-kids/ https://www.snopes.com/news/2021/10/27/fauci-aids-drug-trial... Even here the so called proof by the author is misleading and this was just the first one i even bothered to look up. This was the main topic in the introduction of the book. I would expect better research instead of misleading one. Additionally, the first result on Google is literally the site of the author's foundation. Conspiracy theories are often based on far-fetched theories where the difference between truth and lies are misleading, similar to this example. --- I'm sorry, but this book didn't pass the smell test. Although I have to admit, it's a good attempt and it's been a while that I had to search for more than 5 minutes to be sure. Definitely because he actually seems to care about the environment, as mentioned before. --- One simple trick would be ( from my POV) that the more people are required to work together for a conspiracy-theory to be successfull. The less likely it is. Just look at the dozens of mistakes that are produced with one "unplanned live-show" orchestrated by a governement who prepared this for 8 years currently.
    - 5y ago

Vloeck 5y ago

welt.de is equivalent to Fox News, beware

raxxorrax 5y ago
It is not that bad, but they tend to scandalise hedgehogs attacking gardeners as a new world war.
Vloeck 5y ago
and the boss of the health insurance is an anti vaxxer. the whole "study" is pseudo scientific mumbo-jumbo

Arnt 5y ago

Their letter doesn't describe how they made the two groups comparable. They must've done something to compensate for differences in income/education/previous health. And how would they compensate for rule differences? Unvaccinated people were barred from dangerous activities such as team sports during much of the period.

mtmail 5y ago

This seems to be the central data slide https://twitter.com/DrNathanCole/status/1496594197390012417/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DrNathanCole/status/1496594197390012417/... The health insurance company filtered their data looking for the following side effects: - T88.0: (local) infection after vaccination - T88.1: skin irritation after vaccination - U12.9: non-further classified side effects after COVID19 vaccination, e.g. headache - Y59.9: non-further classified side effects after biological active substance and calculate 2% of the insured had side effects. That's compared to the Paul Eichlich Instite which reports 0.3% having had side effects. The institute used a mobile app where it was optional after vaccination to self-report. I used it. There's a link in the paperwork you receive at the vaccination center. I don't know any other person who used it. My opinion: the PEI data is probably underreported. The side effects listed here are harmless (compared to the outcry on German Twitter). Headache, skin irritation. In my family and friends almost everybody had one of the two at some point during their 3 vaccinations. Personally I'm very fine with 2% or 5% of the population having the listed side effects. I mean, compared to what effects COVID19 has on unvaccinated body. The insurance company could've filtered and reported severe side effects like myelitis which has classified codes, but didn't.

dukeofdoom 5y ago

Pfizer drops India vaccine application after regulator seeks local trial https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2A50GE https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2A50GE