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Reminder: forgery / use of forged documents is forbidden in France, as per article 441-1 of the penal code. A man was recently sentenced to 4 months of jail ti

by esnard 5y ago

Reminder: forgery / use of forged documents is forbidden in France, as per article 441-1 of the penal code. A man was recently sentenced to 4 months of jail time because he lied about his salary to rent an apartment. [0] [0]: https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/un-locataire-condamne-a-4-mois-de-prison-pour-avoir-menti-sur-ses-bulletins-de-salaire-1428233 https://www.capital.fr/economie-politique/un-locataire-conda...

baybal2 5y ago
There used to be another country which made resumes into a legal document: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbuch#/media/Datei%3AArbeitsbuch_Deutsches_Reich_(3).jpg https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbuch#/media/Datei%3AA...
- emteycz 5y ago
  Well and all the communist states too. Your personal ID was a small booklet that contained all your employment info. Police frequently checked it and told your workplace if you did anything out of the ordinary.
- skywal_l 5y ago
  The fact that someone can ask you for your salary before renting you an apartment is not equivalent to what you point to. I would prefer this system to the Equifax's panopticon to be honest. The best system would be to have a third party insure your rent. So you would only communicate these kind of information to the third party of your choice with which you would have a legal contract including a privacy clause.
  - gryn 5y ago
    in France you're asked for your last pay slip(s) and last year's tax statement. the tax statement has a code that you can input to verify the authenticity of the document. https://www.economie.gouv.fr/particuliers/authenticite-avis-impot-svair https://www.economie.gouv.fr/particuliers/authenticite-avis-...
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    That would make renting even more expensive and it is almost always a bad deal for anyone under a certain income. You have to legislate that away or legislate heavy property tax for real estate that is not used for personal living. Which might be sensible and necessary anyway if you look at price developments.
conradfr 5y ago
Still kind of a common practice, at least to rent in Paris. Also he only got caught because he wasn't paying the rent.

by esnard 5y ago

baybal2 5y ago

There used to be another country which made resumes into a legal document: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbuch#/media/Datei%3AArbeitsbuch_Deutsches_Reich_(3).jpg https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbeitsbuch#/media/Datei%3AA...

emteycz 5y ago
Well and all the communist states too. Your personal ID was a small booklet that contained all your employment info. Police frequently checked it and told your workplace if you did anything out of the ordinary.
skywal_l 5y ago
The fact that someone can ask you for your salary before renting you an apartment is not equivalent to what you point to. I would prefer this system to the Equifax's panopticon to be honest. The best system would be to have a third party insure your rent. So you would only communicate these kind of information to the third party of your choice with which you would have a legal contract including a privacy clause.
- gryn 5y ago
  in France you're asked for your last pay slip(s) and last year's tax statement. the tax statement has a code that you can input to verify the authenticity of the document. https://www.economie.gouv.fr/particuliers/authenticite-avis-impot-svair https://www.economie.gouv.fr/particuliers/authenticite-avis-...
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  That would make renting even more expensive and it is almost always a bad deal for anyone under a certain income. You have to legislate that away or legislate heavy property tax for real estate that is not used for personal living. Which might be sensible and necessary anyway if you look at price developments.

conradfr 5y ago

Still kind of a common practice, at least to rent in Paris. Also he only got caught because he wasn't paying the rent.