8 ms·

Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV. On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is i

by omdv 5y ago

Anecdotal, so obviously YMMV. On battery - I am using "sleep then hibernate", which typically means 4-6% of battery drain overnight which happens while it is in first ~2hrs of sleep mode. Of course it means you now spend 30sec booting up, but I can live with that. On touchpad - weird, my experience is opposite. I'd say this is the closest to Macbook experience I had, no issues whatsoever. Speakers are a bit quiet, agreed, no static or anything, we occasionally use it to watch Netflix with my wife, while away from TV, interchangeably with her Macbook and definitely wouldn't call it garbage. So, all in all I am in "quite happy" camp. Yes, not Macbook killer, but for me it is close enough and without any major inconveniences, but with all OSS benefits and presumably infinite upgradeability. I use Arch btw :)

deleted 5y ago
[deleted]
kkielhofner 5y ago
Sleep then hibernate was a game changer. Pretty convoluted to setup (PopOS in my case) and still kind of a pain (takes longer to resume than I'd like) but definitely an improvement. I have other issues with it (USB-C DP alt-mode, fan noise) but I've already ranted about those on HN.
sudders 5y ago
The sleep then hibernate sounds promising. But is it something you need to configure yourself?
- omdv 5y ago
  On Linux? Yes. Changing the mode is just a matter of changing one line in one file. But getting hibernate to actually work is a bit of hassle, especially if you have any kind of encryption or non-standard file system. This said - I managed to get mine working on encrypted Btrfs.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    At some point I tried to have dual boot with windows and encryption and hibernate working. No fun and no success.
  - andi999 5y ago
    What linux distro do you use? I always encountered the problem that after doing some work to get things going everything had to be redone after the next upgrade. Do you expect to have this issue?
    - omdv 5y ago
      I don't think upgrades change this configuration. I use Arch, which is a rolling release distro, so maybe this is a factor, but I didn't have any issues with upgrades, apart from one time when Framework released FW upgrade few months ago, which overwrote the boot record (took 15min to fix/recover), but that is a different story...
netizen-936824 5y ago
Genuine question here. I run gentoo on an NVMe drive and I have zero reason to use sleep or hibernate as my machine gets to the DE in under 30s. What use cases are there that absolutely requires these features when boot times are so short?
- charcircuit 5y ago
  Sleep and hibernate are about persisting state and not about boot time. I don't want to spend time reopening everything and setting everything up when I come back to my computer. I just want to continue where I left off.
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      Debugging has already been mentioned. I run lots of programs that take several hours too, be that copying files or transcoding or processing some data. Right now I have something running that won't be done for two days. And when I have 20 programs open, even if it only takes 15-30 seconds per program to get them going again that's a bunch of time I didn't need to waste. And even the programs I have that autostart still require prodding to get them into the right state.
      - netizen-936824 5y ago
        I also have programs that can take weeks to run, but I just leave my computer on and running in those cases. I have never trusted sleep or hibernate to properly handle those situations and I don't want to lose data. Not to mention, if I'm pausing it while its running it will take even longer to finish. Debugging I can understand, as that's a bit of a different beast than a program that can run unattended.
worthless-trash 5y ago
Has anyone done investigation into which components are still 'alive' during the sleep ? This can be done with an infrared camera, should be able to see which components remain hot after a long period of 'sleep', or a voltmeter for the more electrically inclined. My bet is that its some kind of bus that isnt powering down and continually waking up the devices on it.

by omdv 5y ago

deleted 5y ago

[deleted]

kkielhofner 5y ago

Sleep then hibernate was a game changer. Pretty convoluted to setup (PopOS in my case) and still kind of a pain (takes longer to resume than I'd like) but definitely an improvement. I have other issues with it (USB-C DP alt-mode, fan noise) but I've already ranted about those on HN.

sudders 5y ago

The sleep then hibernate sounds promising. But is it something you need to configure yourself?

omdv 5y ago
On Linux? Yes. Changing the mode is just a matter of changing one line in one file. But getting hibernate to actually work is a bit of hassle, especially if you have any kind of encryption or non-standard file system. This said - I managed to get mine working on encrypted Btrfs.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  At some point I tried to have dual boot with windows and encryption and hibernate working. No fun and no success.
- andi999 5y ago
  What linux distro do you use? I always encountered the problem that after doing some work to get things going everything had to be redone after the next upgrade. Do you expect to have this issue?
  - omdv 5y ago
    I don't think upgrades change this configuration. I use Arch, which is a rolling release distro, so maybe this is a factor, but I didn't have any issues with upgrades, apart from one time when Framework released FW upgrade few months ago, which overwrote the boot record (took 15min to fix/recover), but that is a different story...

netizen-936824 5y ago

Genuine question here. I run gentoo on an NVMe drive and I have zero reason to use sleep or hibernate as my machine gets to the DE in under 30s. What use cases are there that absolutely requires these features when boot times are so short?

charcircuit 5y ago
Sleep and hibernate are about persisting state and not about boot time. I don't want to spend time reopening everything and setting everything up when I come back to my computer. I just want to continue where I left off.
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  The way I have things set up, my browser opens all my last tabs and I have things set to start the browser and a few other programs at boot. What programs are you using in such a fashion that simply having the program autostart at boot is not feasible?
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Debugging has already been mentioned. I run lots of programs that take several hours too, be that copying files or transcoding or processing some data. Right now I have something running that won't be done for two days. And when I have 20 programs open, even if it only takes 15-30 seconds per program to get them going again that's a bunch of time I didn't need to waste. And even the programs I have that autostart still require prodding to get them into the right state.
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      I also have programs that can take weeks to run, but I just leave my computer on and running in those cases. I have never trusted sleep or hibernate to properly handle those situations and I don't want to lose data. Not to mention, if I'm pausing it while its running it will take even longer to finish. Debugging I can understand, as that's a bit of a different beast than a program that can run unattended.

worthless-trash 5y ago

Has anyone done investigation into which components are still 'alive' during the sleep ? This can be done with an infrared camera, should be able to see which components remain hot after a long period of 'sleep', or a voltmeter for the more electrically inclined. My bet is that its some kind of bus that isnt powering down and continually waking up the devices on it.