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Your read is correct. While I generally agree with the alarm raised by this article, I find it does itself a disservice by exaggerating and citing to Americans

Your read is correct. While I generally agree with the alarm raised by this article, I find it does itself a disservice by exaggerating and citing to Americans with, charitably, a passing understanding of Canadian law and government. If people would like a dispassionate/neutral reading of the legal obligations imposed by the invocation of the Emergencies Act, I can recommend: - a summary by Osler, a prestigious Canadian law firm [1] - the order itself [2] - the regulations themselves [3] They are bad enough on their own without embellishment. For additional context, I have never voted for the Liberal party. Federally, I have donated to and voted for Conservative and Green candidates my entire life. My current MP (a Green MP), voted against the Emergencies Act. I approved of that vote. But it is just absolutely bizarre to me to see people comparing Trudeau to Hitler, Stalin and Mao, as is done in the punk6529 Twitter thread that is embedded in this article. There is plenty to criticize without undermining yourself by using these stupidly emotive comparisons. [1]: https://www.osler.com/en/blogs/risk/february-2022/new-emergency-measures-implications-for-financial-services-providers https://www.osler.com/en/blogs/risk/february-2022/new-emerge... [2]: https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/sor-dors22-eng.html https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/s... [3]: https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/sor-dors21-eng.html https://www.gazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p2/2022/2022-02-15-x1/html/s...

nostrebored 5y ago
- sequoia 5y ago
  The USA has a per capita death rate 300% that of Canada's. We have worked together here to keep one another safe, often at great personal sacrifice, and it has worked quite well all things considered. This is an expression of mutual solidarity and civic spirit, not evidence of stalinism. I think this emergency act stuff is very bad, but Canada's response to Covid has been head and shoulders better than the USA and the death counts show it. I'm happy, as an American, to live up here where human life is valued.
- dang 5y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into ideological and/or nationalistic flamewar hell. Not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nostrebored 5y ago
    I've commented on HN, mainly on controversial threads, for years. This is establishing status quo. When we are discussing an unprecedented ability to freeze users out of the financial system -- which the article accurately describes as a threat to constitutional democracy -- and someone claims that their PM isn't a dictator, their other dictatorial actions become relevant.
    - cldellow 5y ago
      I didn't claim he wasn't a dictator. I claimed comparing him to Stalin, Mao and Hitler was bizarre. I still think that's bizarre, although I credit that some people may disagree sincerely. For me, it's bizarre because I think Stalin, Mao and Hitler are primarily known for being totalitarian rulers who each are responsible for the deaths of millions to tens of millions of people. Trudeau, on the other hand, recently won re-election in what is generally accepted to have been a free and fair election and which was, in large part, a referendum on his handling of the coronavirus. This is relevant because his invocation of the Emergencies Act is related to protests about how he has handled coronavirus. Even so, his invocation of the Emergencies Act was successful only because, in a minority parliament, he convinced another party to support him. Additionally, Doug Ford, a provincial premier of a third, different, party requested him to invoke it. That's just... not dictatorial, totalitarian or mass murder-y to me. And again, I say this as someone who does not like Trudeau, does not generally like the Liberal party, and has never supported them.
    - dang 5y ago
      Using HN primarily for political and/or ideological battle is actually a line at which we ban accounts, so please don't do that. Past explanations of why we have that rule: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20battle&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
frabbit 5y ago
Good links. In addition this interview by en ex-CSIS (Canadian spycops agency) employee suggests that the funding is getting to the organizers by some means other than those which go directly through payment processors. It would be interesting if these measures were also actually ineffective. I was a bit skeptical of her claim that bitcoin ATMs in Ottawa were a likely source though: https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2022/02/15/trying-to-follow-the-money-flowing-into-the-convoy-protests/ https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2022/02/15/trying-to-follow-th...

nostrebored 5y ago

sequoia 5y ago
The USA has a per capita death rate 300% that of Canada's. We have worked together here to keep one another safe, often at great personal sacrifice, and it has worked quite well all things considered. This is an expression of mutual solidarity and civic spirit, not evidence of stalinism. I think this emergency act stuff is very bad, but Canada's response to Covid has been head and shoulders better than the USA and the death counts show it. I'm happy, as an American, to live up here where human life is valued.
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into ideological and/or nationalistic flamewar hell. Not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nostrebored 5y ago
  I've commented on HN, mainly on controversial threads, for years. This is establishing status quo. When we are discussing an unprecedented ability to freeze users out of the financial system -- which the article accurately describes as a threat to constitutional democracy -- and someone claims that their PM isn't a dictator, their other dictatorial actions become relevant.
  - cldellow 5y ago
    I didn't claim he wasn't a dictator. I claimed comparing him to Stalin, Mao and Hitler was bizarre. I still think that's bizarre, although I credit that some people may disagree sincerely. For me, it's bizarre because I think Stalin, Mao and Hitler are primarily known for being totalitarian rulers who each are responsible for the deaths of millions to tens of millions of people. Trudeau, on the other hand, recently won re-election in what is generally accepted to have been a free and fair election and which was, in large part, a referendum on his handling of the coronavirus. This is relevant because his invocation of the Emergencies Act is related to protests about how he has handled coronavirus. Even so, his invocation of the Emergencies Act was successful only because, in a minority parliament, he convinced another party to support him. Additionally, Doug Ford, a provincial premier of a third, different, party requested him to invoke it. That's just... not dictatorial, totalitarian or mass murder-y to me. And again, I say this as someone who does not like Trudeau, does not generally like the Liberal party, and has never supported them.
  - dang 5y ago
    Using HN primarily for political and/or ideological battle is actually a line at which we ban accounts, so please don't do that. Past explanations of why we have that rule: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20bimodal%20battle&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

frabbit 5y ago

Good links. In addition this interview by en ex-CSIS (Canadian spycops agency) employee suggests that the funding is getting to the organizers by some means other than those which go directly through payment processors. It would be interesting if these measures were also actually ineffective. I was a bit skeptical of her claim that bitcoin ATMs in Ottawa were a likely source though: https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2022/02/15/trying-to-follow-the-money-flowing-into-the-convoy-protests/ https://thebigstorypodcast.ca/2022/02/15/trying-to-follow-th...