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Remember like a week ago when the Germany navy said the idea that Russia wanted to invade Ukraine was nonsense? Fools.

morsch 5y ago
A month ago. And the guy who said it was fired a day later.
_ph_ 5y ago
It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral which had been removed from office immediately, as there was a strong disagreement with his statements.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  > It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral It he doesn't speak for the Germany navy then who does? Were the navy's intelligence reports wrong or was he briefed wrong or does he not believe his own intelligence people? What if he'd been still been in charge now? Would he still deny it was happening? All possibilities point to something extremely foolish going on. Absolutely bizarre situation. I wonder what he says now.
  - Bud 5y ago
    This honestly just isn't that significant. Germany's navy, and indeed, German military forces generally, are not relevant to this crisis and will play basically zero part in it. So all of this analysis and blame-gaming you're trying to do just are not of much import.
    - chrisseaton 5y ago
      I wonder what contingencies the Germany navy is planned for and capable of handling, if they couldn't even get their heads around this being a possibility?
      - jonathanstrange 5y ago
        The German navy consists of more than one guy (who, by the way, didn't state what you claimed he stated).
        chrisseaton 5y ago
        The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.
        jonathanstrange 5y ago
        He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a big No No in the military.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. Goes to show what he knows. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size has seen this morning's events coming since Crimea at the latest. The only way to avoid it would have been to make Ukraine a full NATO member in 2015, -16. (For a while I held out hope that the West would see this and do it, but... More fool I, for even hoping.) > He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, Well he was sure right there -- it's not "a small piece of Ukrainian territory" Putin is interested in taking -- but that doesn't seem to have been what he meant, so he "was right" in that respect purely by accident. > and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." Yeah, right, kleptocratic tinpot dictators deserve soooo much respect. > He was immediately fired afterwards And rightfully so. Not just for blabbing where he shouldn't, but hopefully mainly because he seems to be an idiot with no fucking clue.
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  - nix23 5y ago
    That's not really what he said, the press twisted it a bit: >>“Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukrainian soil, to integrate into their country?” the 56-year-old said. “No. Putin is putting on pressure because he knows he can do it, he splits the European Union.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-chief-quits-after-saying-putin-deserves-respect-over-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-ch... His point was: It's not about the "soil" but to split the eu....see the difference?
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muro 5y ago
I first thought he didn't say "wanted to invade Ukraine was nonsense", but that Krym will not be returned to Ukraine and the world will have to come to terms with it. But you are right, he said "Russia wanting a tiny strip of Ukraine was nonsense" and that is indeed what just happened: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/1/23/german-navy-chief-resigns-after-controversial-ukraine-comments https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/1/23/german-navy-chi...
- throwaway123x2 5y ago
  It is nonsense... unless there's a greater endgame Russia is playing towards that we're about to find out.
raxxorrax 5y ago
It was about invading Ukraine and especially Kiev. The Ukrainian government had lost the control about the region Russia now openly operates in. They already did so before though.
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  "Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukraine’s soil? No. Or to integrate it in the country? No, this is nonsense." That's exactly what is happening.
bloak 5y ago
It's probably true, though. I would guess that Russia didn't want to invade Ukraine. Russia wanted to extract concessions by threatening to invade Ukraine. But since NATO gave Russia nothing, not even some tiny symbolic concession that Putin could present as a victory, Putin, having painted himself into a corner (as per the Economist front cover), had no choice. And so some people will die. And other people (LNG vendors) will get rich.

A month ago. And the guy who said it was fired a day later.

_ph_ 5y ago

It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral which had been removed from office immediately, as there was a strong disagreement with his statements.

chrisseaton 5y ago
> It wasn't the German navy, it was the ranking admiral It he doesn't speak for the Germany navy then who does? Were the navy's intelligence reports wrong or was he briefed wrong or does he not believe his own intelligence people? What if he'd been still been in charge now? Would he still deny it was happening? All possibilities point to something extremely foolish going on. Absolutely bizarre situation. I wonder what he says now.
- Bud 5y ago
  This honestly just isn't that significant. Germany's navy, and indeed, German military forces generally, are not relevant to this crisis and will play basically zero part in it. So all of this analysis and blame-gaming you're trying to do just are not of much import.
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    I wonder what contingencies the Germany navy is planned for and capable of handling, if they couldn't even get their heads around this being a possibility?
    - jonathanstrange 5y ago
      The German navy consists of more than one guy (who, by the way, didn't state what you claimed he stated).
      - chrisseaton 5y ago
        The quote is reported by multiple outlets, and he doesn’t deny he said it.
        jonathanstrange 5y ago
        He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." He was immediately fired afterwards because these personal statements (at a security conference in Asia) interfered with Germany's diplomatic efforts, which is always a big No No in the military.
        CRConrad 5y ago
        > He did not state that Russia is not going to invade Ukraine. Goes to show what he knows. Anyone with an IQ larger than their shoe size has seen this morning's events coming since Crimea at the latest. The only way to avoid it would have been to make Ukraine a full NATO member in 2015, -16. (For a while I held out hope that the West would see this and do it, but... More fool I, for even hoping.) > He insinuated that (in his opinion) it is nonsense to claim Russia had an interest in a small piece of Ukrainian territory, Well he was sure right there -- it's not "a small piece of Ukrainian territory" Putin is interested in taking -- but that doesn't seem to have been what he meant, so he "was right" in that respect purely by accident. > and that Putin demands respect and "...probably also deserves it." Yeah, right, kleptocratic tinpot dictators deserve soooo much respect. > He was immediately fired afterwards And rightfully so. Not just for blabbing where he shouldn't, but hopefully mainly because he seems to be an idiot with no fucking clue.
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- nix23 5y ago
  That's not really what he said, the press twisted it a bit: >>“Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukrainian soil, to integrate into their country?” the 56-year-old said. “No. Putin is putting on pressure because he knows he can do it, he splits the European Union.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-chief-quits-after-saying-putin-deserves-respect-over-ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/23/german-navy-ch... His point was: It's not about the "soil" but to split the eu....see the difference?

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muro 5y ago

I first thought he didn't say "wanted to invade Ukraine was nonsense", but that Krym will not be returned to Ukraine and the world will have to come to terms with it. But you are right, he said "Russia wanting a tiny strip of Ukraine was nonsense" and that is indeed what just happened: https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/1/23/german-navy-chief-resigns-after-controversial-ukraine-comments https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/1/23/german-navy-chi...

throwaway123x2 5y ago
It is nonsense... unless there's a greater endgame Russia is playing towards that we're about to find out.

raxxorrax 5y ago

It was about invading Ukraine and especially Kiev. The Ukrainian government had lost the control about the region Russia now openly operates in. They already did so before though.

chrisseaton 5y ago
"Is Russia really interested in having a tiny strip of Ukraine’s soil? No. Or to integrate it in the country? No, this is nonsense." That's exactly what is happening.

bloak 5y ago

It's probably true, though. I would guess that Russia didn't want to invade Ukraine. Russia wanted to extract concessions by threatening to invade Ukraine. But since NATO gave Russia nothing, not even some tiny symbolic concession that Putin could present as a victory, Putin, having painted himself into a corner (as per the Economist front cover), had no choice. And so some people will die. And other people (LNG vendors) will get rich.