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It is dead for all purposes unless the political climate changes radically. Whatever the Russian plans for a gas supplier to Germany were, they are limited to w
by _ph_ 5y ago
It is dead for all purposes unless the political climate changes radically. Whatever the Russian plans for a gas supplier to Germany were, they are limited to what the existing pipelines can deliver. I hope, we can reduce the dependency on Russian gas quickly, even if it means the additional effort of shipping LNG from the US or other sources.
Mid-term it should be highest priority to get rid of fossil fuels as quick as possible.
- DeathArrow 5y ago>Mid-term it should be highest priority to get rid of fossil fuels as quick as possible. This line of thinking double prices to gas, natural gas and electricity in the last year. Please stop it!
- jaegerpicker 5y agoThis line of thinking is the only hope of not further destroying the planet! We need renewables to replace fossil fuels ASAP.
- nmehner 5y agoHow does renewable energy double the gas price? That does not make any sense.
- CRConrad 5y ago> Mid-term it should be highest priority to get rid of fossil fuels as quick as possible. What Germany needs to do, stat!, is to undo its moronic decision to scrap nuclear power. It's not as if the North Sea is very prone to tsunamis. And most of Germany's nuclear plants were probably not even all that close to the coast. Let's just fervently hope that any plants already decomissioned can be re-comissioned ASAP.
- zx85wes 5y agoIt's been dead for a very long time. It's a carrot that Russia was never going to get. If Scholz is smart (which I doubt) he'll restart/keep open the nuclear power plants and cut taxes on gas/electricity for households to neutralise the price hikes.
- oytis 5y ago> restart/keep open the nuclear power plants Never going to happen. I would expect looking for alternative suppliers of gas, and developing renewables further.
- mcv 5y agoI was unaware it was dead. I was under the impression that despite the brewing trouble with Russia, Germany was planning to use this pipe to buy more Russian gas. It's possible that Scholtz has different ideas about that than Merkel, I suppose.
- zx85wes 5y agoThe SPD has always been on the moderate side when it comes to Russia. His Green coalition partners are NATO hawks though.
- chess_buster 5y agoThey really are not. Instead, they were friends with the human rights movement and anti-stalinist organisations in Russia (e.g. Мемориал), which got gutted by Putin. So naturally they are not happy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_(society) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memorial_(society)
- darebak 5y ago>His Green coalition partners are NATO hawks though. What's their reasoning?
- stjohnswarts 5y agoI would guess because Russia has shown itself to be a bad actor over and over? They kill/imprison people just for being gay. Imagine what they do to dissidents and those who don't "go with the Russian flow". Dealing with Russia of today is dealing with the devil.
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- yostrovs 5y agoGermany doesn't care about Ukraine. They have to look like they do. Once the Ukrainian issue settles down again like it did after 2014 and everyone in the west moves on to other things, Germany will simply push the start button and gas will flow.
- _ph_ 5y agoNo, certainly not. First of all, Germany does care about the Ukraine. Both on a political level as on a social one. Many Germany have friendships with people from Ukraine. I myself have several in my wider social circle. There is also the European perspective. The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Putin himself stated yesterday, that he considers the Ukraine a part of Russia, so there is concern that he won't stop anytime soon, unless stopped. Ironically, an occupation of the Ukraine makes him what he claimed to try to prevent - a direct neighbor to the NATO states. We can only hope he stops before attacking NATO.
- darebak 5y ago>The cornerstone of European piece policy has been the integrity of state borders. This is now violated, so this is of very grave concern. Now? What about Kosovo* and to lesser degree other conflicts in ex-Yugoslavia? Germany even had an active role in that.
- twelve40 5y agohypocricy is unreal Montenegro gets to declare independence, but Republika Srpska doesn't because Serbs don't matter. Kosovo must be recognized as an "independent country" right next to Albania, but Eastern Ukraine never. South Sudan, Eritrea, the list of "approved" places that are permitted independence, goes on and on.
- darebak 5y agoMontenegro is different because everyone involved agreed on the referendum and there was legal basis for independence, even though it only passed by a couple hundred votes and with voter suppression but other than that it's a perfectly valid referendum. Kosovo* is more comparable to Srpska in Bosnia or Krajina in Croatia, or Crimea and Donbass. While Montenegro is more like Scotland situation in the UK.
- modo_mario 5y ago>Whatever the Russian plans for a gas supplier to Germany were, they are limited to what the existing pipelines can deliver. They existing pipelines can deliver more easily. It's not like they've been running anywhere close to full capacity. Nordstream is more about taking leverage away from countries like Ukraine.