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Recertification now goes through a Green energy minister. This is pretty much pulling the plug.

• jebronie 5y ago
  "green" in so far as having a history of helping the construction of LNG terminals to import american gas.
  • tjansen 5y ago
    Still much better than lignite...
  • oytis 5y ago
    The point is German Green party has the most anti-authoritarian external political stance of all, and have been opposed to Nord Stream II from the very beginning. They might exchange it for compromise on something else, sure, but will have to explain it to their own party members.
    • raxxorrax 5y ago
      Not against shale gas which is worse than natural gas. They opposed it because of environmental concerns of fossil fuels. It would be much better to just get gas from Russia, which we did for several decades.
      • mcv 5y ago
        It would be much better to use less gas.
        • ben_bai 5y ago
          Thanks Captain Obvious. Your deep understanding of western economy has enlightened me.
          • nindalf 5y ago
            > Don’t be snarky. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
• raxxorrax 5y ago
  It is actually legally questionable that the government can influence that project in the first place. It is accepted in a way but perhaps government will have to pay billions for that choice. If the greens try to sell shale gas against natural gas as something "green", I think they will get a huge invoice from the economy and from voters. Not even the most naive green voters will take that argument and they do take a lot.
• ohgodplsno 5y ago
  The "Green" energy minister that lobbied Europe to have natural gas recognized as a "green" source of energy, while doing their utmost to block any other country from moving on with nuclear ? Super green.
  • fsh 5y ago
    This is literally the opposite of what the minister has said: https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Meldung/20220101-eu-taxonomy-statement-by-federal-minister-habeck.html https://www.bmwi.de/Redaktion/EN/Meldung/20220101-eu-taxonom... Please don't spread misinformation.
    • ohgodplsno 5y ago
      Are you going to pretend that Germany didn't lobby for natural gas to be included by Europe in the green taxonomy ? Adding "but we know it's bad!" after the fact doesn't make it better in the slightest. German greens are hypocrites.
      • fsh 5y ago
        Could you give a source for that? A German newspaper reports that the green party was against including gas in the taxonomy, but was overruled by the other two coalition members [1]. [1] https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/taxonomie-eu-kommission-erdgas-atomkraft-habeck-bundesregierung-1.5512976 https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/taxonomie-eu-kommission-...
      • HotHotLava 5y ago
        The relevant part of the statement, per the official source linked above: > Minister Habeck said: "The idea of including fossil gas in the taxonomy system is also questionable. The European Commission does at least make it clear that gas from fossil fuels is only a bridging technology which needs to be substituted by green hydrogen. New gas-fired power plants must already be equipped for conversion to hydrogen, and from 2035 they must be operated on the basis of green hydrogen or low-carbon gas. This is ambitious and will require large amounts of hydrogen. Incentivising sufficient investment in the transition towards hydrogen, establishing the necessary infrastructure and ramping up hydrogen production are some of the major challenges we are currently facing."