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Russia Will Recognize 2 Separatist Regions in Ukraine, Kremlin Says

qnsi 5y ago
Its interesting what the West will do. This is agression on the Ukraine and should trigger sanctions. Sadly, I am not sure the EU can come to agreement with harsh sanctions
- sschueller 5y ago
  Good, because those sanctions would hurt Europe badly and pull it into a deep recession while it would not affect the US much.
- etotolkoya 5y ago
  - artem247 5y ago
    Eh what? Have you ever been to Ukraine? What 'Russian people'?
    - vanattab 5y ago
      I mean the comment your replying is total nonsense but there are definitely a lot of ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Especially in the Donbas.
      - artem247 5y ago
        I am myself could be considered an (at least partly) 'ethnic Russian", my grandfather came to Kyiv from St. Petersburg. There are no ethnic Russian enclaves in Ukraine, there is no way to find out whether a person in front of you is "ethnic Russian" or "ethnic Ukrainian". Does it matter that 50-100 years ago somebody's ancestors came from Russia to Ukraine? In Eastern Ukraine almost everybody uses Russian as their primary language, no matter whether they are "ethnic Russian", "ethnic Ukrainian", Jews or Tatars or Greeks (there is a sizable Greek community in Mariupol region). The level of assimilation is very high. What's important is whether a person is a follower of some Russian nationalism ideology, or neo-stalinism, or something like that. "Ethnic Russian" does not mean "Anti-Ukraine".
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  > This is agression on the Ukraine Someone steals a chunk of Ukraine territory. Six years later, someone else admits that it happened, and that's aggression? The aggression was taking it in the first place! (Yes, the one who took it in the first place is the same one who "recognized" the taking six years later...) The only way this is aggression is if Russia uses it (or Ukraine's or the west's response to it) as a pretext to take more territory.
  - artem247 5y ago
    It is a bit more complicated, because on paper Russia until today recognized separatist-controlled territory as a part of Ukraine. The problem is that DNR/LNR state that their borders are the same as Donetsk/Luhansk oblast, which is a much bigger region. Second, Russia involvement with 'republics' was mainly with keeping status quo since spring of 2015, that changed in 2021, and what they are going to do now, nobody knows.
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      So is Russia recognizing them, or is it also recognizing their claim? That is, the US recognizes China, but does not recognize their claim of the Nine-Dash Line. You can do one but not the other.
- 01100011 5y ago
  > I am not sure the EU can come to agreement with harsh sanctions That's the point. This has the benefit of driving wedges between NATO members and making NATO look weak and ineffective.
myth_drannon 5y ago
I think Kosovo set a good precedence of "peaceful" separation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Kosovo
- artem247 5y ago
  There is no clear ethnic separation in Ukraine, a division is mostly political or a question of identity.
  - csee 5y ago
    There is a language separation which would play into the identity question.
    - artem247 5y ago
      Well, if only it was so simple. Majority Russian-speaking Kyiv voted for pro-Western politicians since early 90's. Russian language dominates in every major southern and eastern city, that does not mean that every Russian speaker wants to join Russia (in the very least).
      - etotolkoya 5y ago
        etotolkoya 5y ago
        "the willingness" - quite often, unfortunately, a necessity.
        artem247 5y ago
        It means that they are quite content living in a country that they call their home. I understand that it is hard to grasp, but not everyone in Ukraine works in Poland as a laborer. It has nothing to do with West. People who are 40 or younger in a majority recognize Ukraine as their homeland, no matter the ethnic composition or the language preference.
etotolkoya 5y ago
why "will"? It already did.. you are behind the news.. (your media probably waits for the state department to say what it is, I suppose..)
- csee 5y ago
  Putin made this specific official announcement a few minutes before the article was published.

qnsi 5y ago

Its interesting what the West will do. This is agression on the Ukraine and should trigger sanctions. Sadly, I am not sure the EU can come to agreement with harsh sanctions

sschueller 5y ago
Good, because those sanctions would hurt Europe badly and pull it into a deep recession while it would not affect the US much.
etotolkoya 5y ago
- artem247 5y ago
  Eh what? Have you ever been to Ukraine? What 'Russian people'?
  - vanattab 5y ago
    I mean the comment your replying is total nonsense but there are definitely a lot of ethnic Russians in Ukraine. Especially in the Donbas.
    - artem247 5y ago
      I am myself could be considered an (at least partly) 'ethnic Russian", my grandfather came to Kyiv from St. Petersburg. There are no ethnic Russian enclaves in Ukraine, there is no way to find out whether a person in front of you is "ethnic Russian" or "ethnic Ukrainian". Does it matter that 50-100 years ago somebody's ancestors came from Russia to Ukraine? In Eastern Ukraine almost everybody uses Russian as their primary language, no matter whether they are "ethnic Russian", "ethnic Ukrainian", Jews or Tatars or Greeks (there is a sizable Greek community in Mariupol region). The level of assimilation is very high. What's important is whether a person is a follower of some Russian nationalism ideology, or neo-stalinism, or something like that. "Ethnic Russian" does not mean "Anti-Ukraine".
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
> This is agression on the Ukraine Someone steals a chunk of Ukraine territory. Six years later, someone else admits that it happened, and that's aggression? The aggression was taking it in the first place! (Yes, the one who took it in the first place is the same one who "recognized" the taking six years later...) The only way this is aggression is if Russia uses it (or Ukraine's or the west's response to it) as a pretext to take more territory.
- artem247 5y ago
  It is a bit more complicated, because on paper Russia until today recognized separatist-controlled territory as a part of Ukraine. The problem is that DNR/LNR state that their borders are the same as Donetsk/Luhansk oblast, which is a much bigger region. Second, Russia involvement with 'republics' was mainly with keeping status quo since spring of 2015, that changed in 2021, and what they are going to do now, nobody knows.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    So is Russia recognizing them, or is it also recognizing their claim? That is, the US recognizes China, but does not recognize their claim of the Nine-Dash Line. You can do one but not the other.
01100011 5y ago
> I am not sure the EU can come to agreement with harsh sanctions That's the point. This has the benefit of driving wedges between NATO members and making NATO look weak and ineffective.

myth_drannon 5y ago

I think Kosovo set a good precedence of "peaceful" separation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Kosovo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Kosovo

artem247 5y ago
There is no clear ethnic separation in Ukraine, a division is mostly political or a question of identity.
- csee 5y ago
  There is a language separation which would play into the identity question.
  - artem247 5y ago
    Well, if only it was so simple. Majority Russian-speaking Kyiv voted for pro-Western politicians since early 90's. Russian language dominates in every major southern and eastern city, that does not mean that every Russian speaker wants to join Russia (in the very least).
    - etotolkoya 5y ago
      - etotolkoya 5y ago
        "the willingness" - quite often, unfortunately, a necessity.
      - artem247 5y ago
        It means that they are quite content living in a country that they call their home. I understand that it is hard to grasp, but not everyone in Ukraine works in Poland as a laborer. It has nothing to do with West. People who are 40 or younger in a majority recognize Ukraine as their homeland, no matter the ethnic composition or the language preference.

etotolkoya 5y ago

why "will"? It already did.. you are behind the news.. (your media probably waits for the state department to say what it is, I suppose..)

csee 5y ago
Putin made this specific official announcement a few minutes before the article was published.