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You may call me sceptical, if my face gets wrinkles, when I think of the combination of Atlassian, one of the worst offenders in terms of CPU load when loading

You may call me sceptical, if my face gets wrinkles, when I think of the combination of Atlassian, one of the worst offenders in terms of CPU load when loading any page of their platform, be it Bitbucket, Jira or the Atlassian wiki, and therefore energy waster, is to buy a big polluter, to "make it green". Perhaps Atlassian should focus on actually getting their software in order first, and become greener that way.

sjaak 5y ago
26 MiB to view a Jira ticket. 120+ http requests.
- baud147258 5y ago
  it must have gotten worse with the more recent versions, it only too 4 MiB and half as many request on jira ver 6.4
stephen_g 5y ago
AGL is responsible for 42Mtpa of carbon emissions (2019-20). That is more by a decent margin than the combined GHG attributed to all the datacenters in the United States (31.5Mtpa according to [1]). 1. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abfba1 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abfba1
Aeolun 5y ago
I think they literally can’t change it now. People depend on all Jira’s and Confluence’s failure modes. Better to build an entirely new product from scratch.
- ethbr0 5y ago
  Visual Jira Code
- lmm 5y ago
  Don't worry, they bought Trello and are already hard at work turning it into a horrible bloated mess so that it can't undercut Jira.
  - user3939382 5y ago
    I'm on a new MacBook Pro with a gigabit connection -- when I click a card in Trello it takes 5+ seconds to open all the way.
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- DrBazza 5y ago
  > Better to build an entirely new product from scratch. We had bugzilla and a variety of others and they were pretty horrible back in the 00s. Then Jira came along and it was modern and fast (-ish), then I guess they followed the route of multi-b(m)illion clients that wanted X, and got it, at the cost of speed and simplicity for the rest of us. Perhaps we're at another inflexion point for another better, faster, bug tracker (or maybe github's built in one has eaten that market). Just like IM, IRC -> YahooIM/MSN Msger -> Slack/Discord/Teams, or editors notepad/vim -> emacs/notepad++/sublime -> vs code.
islon 5y ago
Jira and confluence resource hogging is such a low hanging fruit it may as well be laying on the ground for someone to pick. Confluence search for me is one of the worst offenders: takes forever to load and can't find anything I want. Confluence is where data goes to die.
rosndo 5y ago
Do we really need “funny” comments like this on HN? Do you genuinely believe that Atlassian could be a significant polluter at the scale of AGL? This article isn’t about Atlassian at all, feels like the wrong place to complain about JIRA.
- zelphirkalt 5y ago
  > Do we really need “funny” comments like this on HN? I am not sure, where you got the impression, that my comment was supposed to be funny in any way. Maybe you are over-interpreting a little. It is rather supposed to express sadness about the state of things. I think it is our right to hint at such things, whenever an offender like Atlassian is mentioned. Their bad practices need to be exposed and talked about. > Do you genuinely believe that Atlassian could be a significant polluter at the scale of AGL? I never said anything about "on the scale of". Where did you read that? I am saying, that Atlassian is a big offender and energy waster through their bad software.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    > I am saying, that Atlassian is a big offender and energy waster through their bad software. But they really aren’t. It’s companies like AGL that are the big (or perhaps mid-size) offenders. Suggesting that Atlassian is a big offender in this context is simply ridiculous. They’re a submicroscopic offender.
    - zelphirkalt 5y ago
      OK, you are really interpreting words in the worst way possible. So I will write it less ambiguously: Atlassian is a big offender in terms of page load times and energy consumption associated with that and therefore energy waster through their bad software. In the realms of how much energy you can waste with a bad website, they are probably somewhere close to crypto currency miners while loading any of their pages, since they give multiple cores a 100% usage at page load time. Just because you put something into relation with something even bigger, it does not suddenly become no longer a problem or irrelevant. If we went by that methodology, we would never fix the tail of not-the-biggest offenders. We need to fix things on all ends. Offenders stay offenders, even when there are much bigger offenders. It is only right to also call them out for what they do and what I witness day by day. It is as well a hint at others, who also waste lots of energy with their bad websites. It is not only Atlassian. There are many examples of basically rendering a static page with a few words, but loading multiple seconds for that.
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sjaak 5y ago

26 MiB to view a Jira ticket. 120+ http requests.

baud147258 5y ago
it must have gotten worse with the more recent versions, it only too 4 MiB and half as many request on jira ver 6.4

stephen_g 5y ago

AGL is responsible for 42Mtpa of carbon emissions (2019-20). That is more by a decent margin than the combined GHG attributed to all the datacenters in the United States (31.5Mtpa according to [1]). 1. https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abfba1 https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/abfba1

Aeolun 5y ago

I think they literally can’t change it now. People depend on all Jira’s and Confluence’s failure modes. Better to build an entirely new product from scratch.

ethbr0 5y ago
Visual Jira Code
lmm 5y ago
Don't worry, they bought Trello and are already hard at work turning it into a horrible bloated mess so that it can't undercut Jira.
- user3939382 5y ago
  I'm on a new MacBook Pro with a gigabit connection -- when I click a card in Trello it takes 5+ seconds to open all the way.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
DrBazza 5y ago
> Better to build an entirely new product from scratch. We had bugzilla and a variety of others and they were pretty horrible back in the 00s. Then Jira came along and it was modern and fast (-ish), then I guess they followed the route of multi-b(m)illion clients that wanted X, and got it, at the cost of speed and simplicity for the rest of us. Perhaps we're at another inflexion point for another better, faster, bug tracker (or maybe github's built in one has eaten that market). Just like IM, IRC -> YahooIM/MSN Msger -> Slack/Discord/Teams, or editors notepad/vim -> emacs/notepad++/sublime -> vs code.

islon 5y ago

Jira and confluence resource hogging is such a low hanging fruit it may as well be laying on the ground for someone to pick. Confluence search for me is one of the worst offenders: takes forever to load and can't find anything I want. Confluence is where data goes to die.

rosndo 5y ago

Do we really need “funny” comments like this on HN? Do you genuinely believe that Atlassian could be a significant polluter at the scale of AGL? This article isn’t about Atlassian at all, feels like the wrong place to complain about JIRA.

zelphirkalt 5y ago
> Do we really need “funny” comments like this on HN? I am not sure, where you got the impression, that my comment was supposed to be funny in any way. Maybe you are over-interpreting a little. It is rather supposed to express sadness about the state of things. I think it is our right to hint at such things, whenever an offender like Atlassian is mentioned. Their bad practices need to be exposed and talked about. > Do you genuinely believe that Atlassian could be a significant polluter at the scale of AGL? I never said anything about "on the scale of". Where did you read that? I am saying, that Atlassian is a big offender and energy waster through their bad software.
- rosndo 5y ago
  > I am saying, that Atlassian is a big offender and energy waster through their bad software. But they really aren’t. It’s companies like AGL that are the big (or perhaps mid-size) offenders. Suggesting that Atlassian is a big offender in this context is simply ridiculous. They’re a submicroscopic offender.
  - zelphirkalt 5y ago
    OK, you are really interpreting words in the worst way possible. So I will write it less ambiguously: Atlassian is a big offender in terms of page load times and energy consumption associated with that and therefore energy waster through their bad software. In the realms of how much energy you can waste with a bad website, they are probably somewhere close to crypto currency miners while loading any of their pages, since they give multiple cores a 100% usage at page load time. Just because you put something into relation with something even bigger, it does not suddenly become no longer a problem or irrelevant. If we went by that methodology, we would never fix the tail of not-the-biggest offenders. We need to fix things on all ends. Offenders stay offenders, even when there are much bigger offenders. It is only right to also call them out for what they do and what I witness day by day. It is as well a hint at others, who also waste lots of energy with their bad websites. It is not only Atlassian. There are many examples of basically rendering a static page with a few words, but loading multiple seconds for that.

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