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Let's push the idiocracy to the extreme by asking Arkose to add a timeout to their captchas, so people have to solve it fast and make the default puzzle be a pr

Let's push the idiocracy to the extreme by asking Arkose to add a timeout to their captchas, so people have to solve it fast and make the default puzzle be a prime factorization. Modern web become so unusable and poluted that I don't think that it can get worse.

harel 5y ago
Careful what you wish for - it can, and probably will get worst. I still get cookie rage every time I have to deal with cookie popups. To put things in perspective, i recommend trying to run with a pihole plugged in your network. Even just for a week or two. The difference is so stark it emphasises how shit things are right now.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  Just a friendly reminder to anyone reading this — the "annoyances" lists you can enable in uBlock Origin get rid of basically all cookie popups. I haven't seen one in a couple of years.
  - marcusklaas 5y ago
    Did not know this, just enabled all of them. Thank you!
    - i67vw3 5y ago
      There is also an extension on chrome and firefox store named 'I don't care about cookies' which is specifically made for this issue.
      - bmn__ 5y ago
        Better: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic
      - huqedato 5y ago
        I had a mixed experience with this extension: very effective but it breaks many sites - initially I didn't understand why, it took me some time to identify the culprit.
  - Sander_Marechal 5y ago
    Just a note that sometimes this blocks the popup but not the background overlay that goes along with the popup. This makes interacting or even scrolling with the site impossible. It only happens occasionally and it's nothing a quick "zap element" in ublock doesn't fix. But it can be surprising.
anthropodie 5y ago
I read here on HN that Google has come up with new way to buypass all trackers and adblockers and I think things are going to get really bad for web. I think it's time we build a directory of applications or a search engine which indexes only the websites that do not use any trackers. The damage of tracking industry to whole web is irreparable but I think we have an opportunity to build a new web that can have mechanisms to prevent any sort of tracking.
- hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
  And who would moderate it? Who would make sure they don't cheat and don't insert some tracking code at some point in the future? I don't believe automatic checking would work, unless you decide any JS equals tracking (and at this point you'd be better of just disabling JS).
  - anthropodie 5y ago
    well then I guess the criteria to index websites would be those who have no js.
    - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
      even if someone did it this way (as a switch in DDG for example), there is no way of guaranteeing that the ebsite didn't implement some JS between the time it got indexed and your visit honestly, just disabling JS is the only bulletproof way of making sure you don't run any JS
- scrollaway 5y ago
  Kagi.com lets you filter for and signal boost results without trackers. It’s very nice.
  - danskeren 5y ago
    I wanted to do something similar for my search engine when I proxied results from Bing (similar to what Kagi.com is doing according to their FAQ), however, it felt like a gimmick because I had so little control over what websites to boost. The reason I had little control is because Bing's API limit you to requesting 50 results which is usually SEO spam with trackers.. so all I accomplished was e.g. moving Wikipedia from second to first position while 9+/10 of the returned results still contained trackers for pretty much all queries. If you have access to Kagi.com then I'm curious to hear what results you see when you search for e.g. "Manchester United". I suspect all of them (except Wikipedia) will contain trackers. If that's not the case then I would love to hear how people think they managed to filter out all the bad sites while still displaying other results besides Wikipedia.
oefrha 5y ago
I literally made a whole series of annoying puzzles as the confirmation flow of certain destructive actions for a gaming-related site of mine.
intunderflow 5y ago
They literally do this on Roblox, I've seen over 20(!) hard puzzles and about 10 seconds to solve each one: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/impossible-roblox-captcha/321468 https://devforum.roblox.com/t/impossible-roblox-captcha/3214... For some challenges, this is so impossible that people give up with logging in until it calms down in a few hours, even Roblox employees and full time developers People have told me that Arkose pay people to run their captchas and present lots of fancy metrics of attacks they've stopped which is why some websites seem to be ok with destroying user experience by running this
- deleted 5y ago
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- DevOfNull 5y ago
  If regular users can't log in, that would decrease the load, and that could be presented in those metrics i suppose. "Look! there was an artificial traffic spike here... but then our systems kicked in and saved the day!" (By locking out paying users and letting in bots, because that's easier for the 'protection' company and gives the same stats for 'back to normal' in the reports)
dzhiurgis 5y ago
99% sure OP is browsing with some shady VPN

harel 5y ago

Careful what you wish for - it can, and probably will get worst. I still get cookie rage every time I have to deal with cookie popups. To put things in perspective, i recommend trying to run with a pihole plugged in your network. Even just for a week or two. The difference is so stark it emphasises how shit things are right now.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
Just a friendly reminder to anyone reading this — the "annoyances" lists you can enable in uBlock Origin get rid of basically all cookie popups. I haven't seen one in a couple of years.
- marcusklaas 5y ago
  Did not know this, just enabled all of them. Thank you!
  - i67vw3 5y ago
    There is also an extension on chrome and firefox store named 'I don't care about cookies' which is specifically made for this issue.
    - bmn__ 5y ago
      Better: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/consent-o-matic/ https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic https://github.com/cavi-au/Consent-O-Matic
    - huqedato 5y ago
      I had a mixed experience with this extension: very effective but it breaks many sites - initially I didn't understand why, it took me some time to identify the culprit.
- Sander_Marechal 5y ago
  Just a note that sometimes this blocks the popup but not the background overlay that goes along with the popup. This makes interacting or even scrolling with the site impossible. It only happens occasionally and it's nothing a quick "zap element" in ublock doesn't fix. But it can be surprising.

anthropodie 5y ago

I read here on HN that Google has come up with new way to buypass all trackers and adblockers and I think things are going to get really bad for web. I think it's time we build a directory of applications or a search engine which indexes only the websites that do not use any trackers. The damage of tracking industry to whole web is irreparable but I think we have an opportunity to build a new web that can have mechanisms to prevent any sort of tracking.

hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
And who would moderate it? Who would make sure they don't cheat and don't insert some tracking code at some point in the future? I don't believe automatic checking would work, unless you decide any JS equals tracking (and at this point you'd be better of just disabling JS).
- anthropodie 5y ago
  well then I guess the criteria to index websites would be those who have no js.
  - hdjjhhvvhga 5y ago
    even if someone did it this way (as a switch in DDG for example), there is no way of guaranteeing that the ebsite didn't implement some JS between the time it got indexed and your visit honestly, just disabling JS is the only bulletproof way of making sure you don't run any JS
scrollaway 5y ago
Kagi.com lets you filter for and signal boost results without trackers. It’s very nice.
- danskeren 5y ago
  I wanted to do something similar for my search engine when I proxied results from Bing (similar to what Kagi.com is doing according to their FAQ), however, it felt like a gimmick because I had so little control over what websites to boost. The reason I had little control is because Bing's API limit you to requesting 50 results which is usually SEO spam with trackers.. so all I accomplished was e.g. moving Wikipedia from second to first position while 9+/10 of the returned results still contained trackers for pretty much all queries. If you have access to Kagi.com then I'm curious to hear what results you see when you search for e.g. "Manchester United". I suspect all of them (except Wikipedia) will contain trackers. If that's not the case then I would love to hear how people think they managed to filter out all the bad sites while still displaying other results besides Wikipedia.

oefrha 5y ago

I literally made a whole series of annoying puzzles as the confirmation flow of certain destructive actions for a gaming-related site of mine.

intunderflow 5y ago

They literally do this on Roblox, I've seen over 20(!) hard puzzles and about 10 seconds to solve each one: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/impossible-roblox-captcha/321468 https://devforum.roblox.com/t/impossible-roblox-captcha/3214... For some challenges, this is so impossible that people give up with logging in until it calms down in a few hours, even Roblox employees and full time developers People have told me that Arkose pay people to run their captchas and present lots of fancy metrics of attacks they've stopped which is why some websites seem to be ok with destroying user experience by running this

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DevOfNull 5y ago
If regular users can't log in, that would decrease the load, and that could be presented in those metrics i suppose. "Look! there was an artificial traffic spike here... but then our systems kicked in and saved the day!" (By locking out paying users and letting in bots, because that's easier for the 'protection' company and gives the same stats for 'back to normal' in the reports)

dzhiurgis 5y ago

99% sure OP is browsing with some shady VPN