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Great effort by some awesome chip tune creators. If memory serves, they had very little trouble covering the album, but a hell of a time with the album cover. T

Great effort by some awesome chip tune creators. If memory serves, they had very little trouble covering the album, but a hell of a time with the album cover. The original photographer for the album cover nearly got the whole project shut down.

Marazan 5y ago
He just asked for them to licence the photo ors stop using it.
- anonymoushn 5y ago
  They weren't using it.
  - jakelazaroff 5y ago
    How not? They sold CDs with the derivative version of the photograph on the cover.
- johndoughy 5y ago
  Not according to the "out-of-court settlement" link: > And it’s worth noting that trying to license the image would have been moot. When asked how much he would’ve charged for a license, Maisel told his lawyer that he would never have granted a license for the pixel art.
  - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
    As is his right as an artist, I suppose. I am fond of Andy Baio's work, but looked at from the other side, Jay Maisel is protecting his work, and he's entitled to do so. They should have asked, I think; they might have got a different response, whatever the settlement says. Maisel is an intellectually curious guy, but they pissed him off by ripping off his work. It always troubled me that there was so much vitriol for Maisel from the exact same community of people who rightly insist that free software licences are enforceable and that non-compliance should be shamed. (See for example, the passive-aggressive and decidedly non-neutral Wikipedia page for Maisel, which goes out of its way to dwarf the settlement sum with discussions of Maisel's wealth, which was built on hard work and protecting the income-generating rights earned from his work, and then a measure of good timing like almost everyone else with earned wealth)
    - catern 5y ago
      >It always troubled me that there was so much vitriol for Maisel from the exact same community of people who rightly insist that free software licences are enforceable and that non-compliance should be shamed. That community is generally opposed to copyright and intellectual property altogether. Copyleft is just a hack to create a space where it doesn't exist. If I could "infringe" on others without being punished, there would be no need for copyleft enforcement. That's the idea, anyway.
      - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
        Maybe, but they understand the difference between their principles/licences and the public domain. So does Jay Maisel -- his income depended on it. And at any rate there is almost no place in the copyleft world for photographers like Maisel to earn a living at all, so he'd be within his rights to reject it entirely.
    - leephillips 5y ago
      The animus against Maisel was whipped up by John Gruber. It reached the point of people vandalizing Maisel’s house. https://lee-phillips.org/music/whoIsTheDick/ https://lee-phillips.org/music/whoIsTheDick/
      - Marazan 5y ago
        It was a pretty despicable episode by Gruber who, in my opinion, actively mis-represented the situation to get a hit of outrage.
        Marazan 5y ago
        I feed on your tears Gruber-stans.
    - fenomas 5y ago
      > from the exact same community of people who rightly insist that free software licences are enforceable and that non-compliance should be shamed This seems kind of disingenuous. People were mad that Maisel threatened a lawsuit in a case where there's a strong, obvious argument for fair use. If something directly comparable happened with software licenses I think most of the HN community would react the same way they have here.
leephillips 5y ago
Baio didn’t have trouble covering the album because he paid the licensing fees for the music. However, he simply used the photograph without even asking permission.

Marazan 5y ago

He just asked for them to licence the photo ors stop using it.

anonymoushn 5y ago
They weren't using it.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  How not? They sold CDs with the derivative version of the photograph on the cover.
johndoughy 5y ago
Not according to the "out-of-court settlement" link: > And it’s worth noting that trying to license the image would have been moot. When asked how much he would’ve charged for a license, Maisel told his lawyer that he would never have granted a license for the pixel art.
- unfocussed_mike 5y ago
  As is his right as an artist, I suppose. I am fond of Andy Baio's work, but looked at from the other side, Jay Maisel is protecting his work, and he's entitled to do so. They should have asked, I think; they might have got a different response, whatever the settlement says. Maisel is an intellectually curious guy, but they pissed him off by ripping off his work. It always troubled me that there was so much vitriol for Maisel from the exact same community of people who rightly insist that free software licences are enforceable and that non-compliance should be shamed. (See for example, the passive-aggressive and decidedly non-neutral Wikipedia page for Maisel, which goes out of its way to dwarf the settlement sum with discussions of Maisel's wealth, which was built on hard work and protecting the income-generating rights earned from his work, and then a measure of good timing like almost everyone else with earned wealth)
  - catern 5y ago
    >It always troubled me that there was so much vitriol for Maisel from the exact same community of people who rightly insist that free software licences are enforceable and that non-compliance should be shamed. That community is generally opposed to copyright and intellectual property altogether. Copyleft is just a hack to create a space where it doesn't exist. If I could "infringe" on others without being punished, there would be no need for copyleft enforcement. That's the idea, anyway.
    - unfocussed_mike 5y ago
      Maybe, but they understand the difference between their principles/licences and the public domain. So does Jay Maisel -- his income depended on it. And at any rate there is almost no place in the copyleft world for photographers like Maisel to earn a living at all, so he'd be within his rights to reject it entirely.
  - leephillips 5y ago
    The animus against Maisel was whipped up by John Gruber. It reached the point of people vandalizing Maisel’s house. https://lee-phillips.org/music/whoIsTheDick/ https://lee-phillips.org/music/whoIsTheDick/
    - Marazan 5y ago
      It was a pretty despicable episode by Gruber who, in my opinion, actively mis-represented the situation to get a hit of outrage.
      - Marazan 5y ago
        I feed on your tears Gruber-stans.
  - fenomas 5y ago
    > from the exact same community of people who rightly insist that free software licences are enforceable and that non-compliance should be shamed This seems kind of disingenuous. People were mad that Maisel threatened a lawsuit in a case where there's a strong, obvious argument for fair use. If something directly comparable happened with software licenses I think most of the HN community would react the same way they have here.

leephillips 5y ago

Baio didn’t have trouble covering the album because he paid the licensing fees for the music. However, he simply used the photograph without even asking permission.