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Windows 12 Development Reportedly Begins in Earnest Next Month

13 points by WithinReason 5y ago

samoit 5y ago
Hopefully this will be the last one...
- allears 5y ago
  With the latest changes to Win11, it sounds like they're trying to move to a paid subscription model. Thus all the hardware lockdown. So I would expect more versions in an attempt to accelerate the progression.
  - uf00lme 5y ago
    I think the hardware lockdown is driven by the need to speed up development efforts and software engineers not wanting to support legacy hardware since it mean too many design level compromises. The paranoid voice in the back of my head says that Intel/Amd are pushing them to cut support for hardware. I’m running an i7 laptop with a decent SSD from 12 years ago as my daily driver and >90% of the time it is surprisingly very smooth.
    - waste_monk 5y ago
      Cutting support for non-TPM capable hardware is a nice side effect, as is being able to use TPM manufacturer attestation [1] for DRM and anti-cheat. IMO the real goal is to revive Microsoft's Palladium technology [2], which is awful and incredibly user-hostile. [1] https://oofhours.com/2019/07/09/tpm-attestation-what-can-possibly-go-wrong/ https://oofhours.com/2019/07/09/tpm-attestation-what-can-pos... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computing_Base#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computi...
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wolpoli 5y ago
They are testing a desktop watermark for unsupported configuration, so it does seem like someone in Microsoft isn't happy with people bypassing the cpu and Tpm requirements. Perhaps that cat is out of the bag for Windows 11 and so they want to move ahead with Windows 12 that would see cpu and Tpm requirements fully enforced.
techancent 5y ago
This article came about because Swift on Security made a joke about Windows 12 requiring 2 TPMs which was a joke. Retraction tweet: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1495464658509172741 https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/14954646585091727...
- rainonmoon 5y ago
  > Swift on Security isn't a heavy humor account by any means Is the author reading an alternate universe Twitter? Tay is an incredible shitposter.

13 points by WithinReason 5y ago

samoit 5y ago

Hopefully this will be the last one...

allears 5y ago
With the latest changes to Win11, it sounds like they're trying to move to a paid subscription model. Thus all the hardware lockdown. So I would expect more versions in an attempt to accelerate the progression.
- uf00lme 5y ago
  I think the hardware lockdown is driven by the need to speed up development efforts and software engineers not wanting to support legacy hardware since it mean too many design level compromises. The paranoid voice in the back of my head says that Intel/Amd are pushing them to cut support for hardware. I’m running an i7 laptop with a decent SSD from 12 years ago as my daily driver and >90% of the time it is surprisingly very smooth.
  - waste_monk 5y ago
    Cutting support for non-TPM capable hardware is a nice side effect, as is being able to use TPM manufacturer attestation [1] for DRM and anti-cheat. IMO the real goal is to revive Microsoft's Palladium technology [2], which is awful and incredibly user-hostile. [1] https://oofhours.com/2019/07/09/tpm-attestation-what-can-possibly-go-wrong/ https://oofhours.com/2019/07/09/tpm-attestation-what-can-pos... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computing_Base#Reception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next-Generation_Secure_Computi...

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wolpoli 5y ago

They are testing a desktop watermark for unsupported configuration, so it does seem like someone in Microsoft isn't happy with people bypassing the cpu and Tpm requirements. Perhaps that cat is out of the bag for Windows 11 and so they want to move ahead with Windows 12 that would see cpu and Tpm requirements fully enforced.

techancent 5y ago

This article came about because Swift on Security made a joke about Windows 12 requiring 2 TPMs which was a joke. Retraction tweet: https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1495464658509172741 https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/14954646585091727...

rainonmoon 5y ago
> Swift on Security isn't a heavy humor account by any means Is the author reading an alternate universe Twitter? Tay is an incredible shitposter.