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Could someone help me to understand why these moves are justified, but similar moves were not justified during the protests of 2020/2021? Because it really kind

Could someone help me to understand why these moves are justified, but similar moves were not justified during the protests of 2020/2021? Because it really kind of seems like blatant political bias, like I'm allowed to protest but you aren't. I'm not too familiar with the details of these Canada protests so maybe there's some major catalyst that I'm overlooking here.

api 5y ago
Canada is not the US. AFAIK this is harder to do in the US and that is a good thing.
ksaj 5y ago
Everyone is allowed to protest legally. First, you need a permit. To get that permit, you need to arrange for policing and cleanup if it is on public property or property not owned by the protest members. You can protest at your place of employment where it is all covered under yours and your work's insurance. There are other situations taken into account like that. None of this was done. Instead the convoy was harassing citizens by excessive loud noise (horns and yelling, etc) starting at 6 AM every day, and goading them on just for wearing masks etc, and had no intention of leaving until Trudeau left office and the mandates were lifted. Neither of those were ever going to happen, so this endless illegal protest would be going on until the mandates are lifted as already scheduled. They were also blocking the border bridges, which is illegal regardless of the protest. And telling people to drive their trucks to block the traffic is also illegal (counseling to commit a crime). Laws were being ignored left right and centre. This is all very different than what a legal protest looks like.
- DiggyJohnson 5y ago
  Sure, I’d like to disagree with you on your main point and get your thoughts on whether legal protest can be effective and applicable in all reasonable cases. Like this one. But instead of doing that, I’ll ask a question: were the BLM protests in 20/21 in the USA/Canada legally sanctioned? And if they were, did they not widely violate those sanctions? This was a peaceful protest at the end of the day. It wasn’t legal, but when you’re protesting the removal of freedoms due to a lockdown that is itself the object of your grievance, I’m not sure they could secure the means to legally protest at scale. > neither of those were going to happen? I believe 6 provinces have lightened or removed their COVID mandates as a consequence of the Freedom Convoy, is this not so?
  - ksaj 5y ago
    > I believe 6 provinces have lightened or removed their COVID mandates as a consequence of the Freedom Convoy, is this not so? It's not so. I saw that Fox has been saying that, but Ontario had it already planned well before the convoy. Same with the other provinces, each to differing degrees.

api 5y ago

Canada is not the US. AFAIK this is harder to do in the US and that is a good thing.

ksaj 5y ago

Everyone is allowed to protest legally. First, you need a permit. To get that permit, you need to arrange for policing and cleanup if it is on public property or property not owned by the protest members. You can protest at your place of employment where it is all covered under yours and your work's insurance. There are other situations taken into account like that. None of this was done. Instead the convoy was harassing citizens by excessive loud noise (horns and yelling, etc) starting at 6 AM every day, and goading them on just for wearing masks etc, and had no intention of leaving until Trudeau left office and the mandates were lifted. Neither of those were ever going to happen, so this endless illegal protest would be going on until the mandates are lifted as already scheduled. They were also blocking the border bridges, which is illegal regardless of the protest. And telling people to drive their trucks to block the traffic is also illegal (counseling to commit a crime). Laws were being ignored left right and centre. This is all very different than what a legal protest looks like.

DiggyJohnson 5y ago
Sure, I’d like to disagree with you on your main point and get your thoughts on whether legal protest can be effective and applicable in all reasonable cases. Like this one. But instead of doing that, I’ll ask a question: were the BLM protests in 20/21 in the USA/Canada legally sanctioned? And if they were, did they not widely violate those sanctions? This was a peaceful protest at the end of the day. It wasn’t legal, but when you’re protesting the removal of freedoms due to a lockdown that is itself the object of your grievance, I’m not sure they could secure the means to legally protest at scale. > neither of those were going to happen? I believe 6 provinces have lightened or removed their COVID mandates as a consequence of the Freedom Convoy, is this not so?
- ksaj 5y ago
  > I believe 6 provinces have lightened or removed their COVID mandates as a consequence of the Freedom Convoy, is this not so? It's not so. I saw that Fox has been saying that, but Ontario had it already planned well before the convoy. Same with the other provinces, each to differing degrees.