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Perhaps a web3 version web3maker could be implemented?

tasha0663 5y ago
Why would web3 not have mobile sites like web[?] does? The source lives in decentralized version control. This is as web3 as it could get without tacking some kind of pointless blockchain grift onto it.
padraic7a 5y ago
I hope not. Mozilla are having a hard time of it lately but I would really worry that they've lost their way if they touch the steaming pile of crypto scamware shit that is web3.
- lukifer 5y ago
  So-called "web3" is still early-stage and amorphously defined, born of the tensions between web1 (a user-sovereign Commons, but lacking identity and value transfer) and Web 2.0 (payments and identity, at the cost of surveillance, enclosure of social Commons, and Metcalfe-monopoly Platform Capitalism). I understand the pushback against the "crypto grift", and as a critique of Actually Existing Crypto-Anarchist Political Economy, I completely agree. But the race for the future is happening with or without us. We can either cede the territory to the bad economics (and worse ethics) of Austrian-school neo-goldbugs; or, we can get involved and leverage the tools towards democratic principles, human values, regenerative ecology, and genuine disruption of unproductive rent-seeking. I'd view anything pitching itself as an investment with extreme suspicion. (And by all means: carbon-tax or fully outlaw "Proof of Work" mining.) But there are countless projects that are truly decentralized, not profit-oriented, and community-first/tech-second: Panvala, Breadchain, CommonsStack, Green Pill Party, Basis Project, /r/CryptoLeftists, lots more. By all means, be skeptical, call out moral hazards and perverse incentives, that's all to the good. But let's not ignore the huge opportunity to disintermediate private Capital (old and new), and in the spirit of copyleft/FOSS, to "lock open" our digital and economic infrastructure.
  - Teever 5y ago
    I genuinely think that this post was written by something like opengpt-3.
    - lukifer 5y ago
      Dunning-Kruger much? :P Lots of academic fields look like gibberish to a lay audience. (I suspect GPT could pass a Turing test, of showing real and fake academic papers to those outside the relevant disciplines.)
      - Teever 5y ago
        Verbosity is not substance. ‘If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself’
  - enos_feedler 5y ago
    When you say unproductive rent-seeking? Who are you calling out here and what makes it unproductive? rent collecting is a perfectly reasonable way to capture value.
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    - lukifer 5y ago
      Rent-seeking is not exactly uncontroversial amongst economists (though some claim it only occurs through state intervention, which is a view I don't share). The most egregious examples are fee-simple ground rents (Adam Smith called a landlord's right to rents a "monopoly price... apportioned to what the farmer can afford to pay"); and many forms of patents (eg, "discovering" a certain curvature of rounded corners, or a "one-click buy button"). There's certainly an argument that some forms of rent are net-productive ways to create markets for labor exchange, which would be difficult to capture otherwise, so I'm not arguing against rent as a broad category: only that some rents are unearned, and therefore a net drag on real wealth creation.
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speedgoose 5y ago
I’m not sure how web semantic would save the project.
beepbooptheory 5y ago
What things would need to be implemented in order for it to be a web3maker?

Why would web3 not have mobile sites like web[?] does? The source lives in decentralized version control. This is as web3 as it could get without tacking some kind of pointless blockchain grift onto it.

padraic7a 5y ago

I hope not. Mozilla are having a hard time of it lately but I would really worry that they've lost their way if they touch the steaming pile of crypto scamware shit that is web3.

lukifer 5y ago
So-called "web3" is still early-stage and amorphously defined, born of the tensions between web1 (a user-sovereign Commons, but lacking identity and value transfer) and Web 2.0 (payments and identity, at the cost of surveillance, enclosure of social Commons, and Metcalfe-monopoly Platform Capitalism). I understand the pushback against the "crypto grift", and as a critique of Actually Existing Crypto-Anarchist Political Economy, I completely agree. But the race for the future is happening with or without us. We can either cede the territory to the bad economics (and worse ethics) of Austrian-school neo-goldbugs; or, we can get involved and leverage the tools towards democratic principles, human values, regenerative ecology, and genuine disruption of unproductive rent-seeking. I'd view anything pitching itself as an investment with extreme suspicion. (And by all means: carbon-tax or fully outlaw "Proof of Work" mining.) But there are countless projects that are truly decentralized, not profit-oriented, and community-first/tech-second: Panvala, Breadchain, CommonsStack, Green Pill Party, Basis Project, /r/CryptoLeftists, lots more. By all means, be skeptical, call out moral hazards and perverse incentives, that's all to the good. But let's not ignore the huge opportunity to disintermediate private Capital (old and new), and in the spirit of copyleft/FOSS, to "lock open" our digital and economic infrastructure.
- Teever 5y ago
  I genuinely think that this post was written by something like opengpt-3.
  - lukifer 5y ago
    Dunning-Kruger much? :P Lots of academic fields look like gibberish to a lay audience. (I suspect GPT could pass a Turing test, of showing real and fake academic papers to those outside the relevant disciplines.)
    - Teever 5y ago
      Verbosity is not substance. ‘If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself’
- enos_feedler 5y ago
  When you say unproductive rent-seeking? Who are you calling out here and what makes it unproductive? rent collecting is a perfectly reasonable way to capture value.
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  - lukifer 5y ago
    Rent-seeking is not exactly uncontroversial amongst economists (though some claim it only occurs through state intervention, which is a view I don't share). The most egregious examples are fee-simple ground rents (Adam Smith called a landlord's right to rents a "monopoly price... apportioned to what the farmer can afford to pay"); and many forms of patents (eg, "discovering" a certain curvature of rounded corners, or a "one-click buy button"). There's certainly an argument that some forms of rent are net-productive ways to create markets for labor exchange, which would be difficult to capture otherwise, so I'm not arguing against rent as a broad category: only that some rents are unearned, and therefore a net drag on real wealth creation.
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speedgoose 5y ago

I’m not sure how web semantic would save the project.

beepbooptheory 5y ago

What things would need to be implemented in order for it to be a web3maker?