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Mozilla Webmaker

56 points by throwoutway 5y ago

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eternityforest 5y ago
Another abandoned project from back when Mozilla still liked doing projects.
- kunagi7 5y ago
  Looks like both Core and Android versions were abandoned back in 2016. Oddly enough, the web version was abandoned in 2018. Still, all versions seem to be React based.
  - ocdtrekkie 5y ago
    The sole change to the website in 2018 was changing the Twitter URL in the footer away from a dead account. Not really abandoned any later, just someone sent a cleanup to a deprecated site.
- zagrebian 5y ago
  Mozilla still likes doing projects: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/
  - eternityforest 5y ago
    Ok, it's a bit of an exaggeration, they definitely still do projects, but there's seems to be a real shift in focus now. Most of what they do now is stripped down privacy focused versions of existing stuff rather than innovation like they had in the FlyWeb days.
    - jstummbillig 5y ago
      Trying to not get destroyed by Google does wonders to your focus I would imagine
qualudeheart 5y ago
Perhaps a web3 version web3maker could be implemented?
- tasha0663 5y ago
  Why would web3 not have mobile sites like web[?] does? The source lives in decentralized version control. This is as web3 as it could get without tacking some kind of pointless blockchain grift onto it.
- padraic7a 5y ago
  I hope not. Mozilla are having a hard time of it lately but I would really worry that they've lost their way if they touch the steaming pile of crypto scamware shit that is web3.
  - lukifer 5y ago
    So-called "web3" is still early-stage and amorphously defined, born of the tensions between web1 (a user-sovereign Commons, but lacking identity and value transfer) and Web 2.0 (payments and identity, at the cost of surveillance, enclosure of social Commons, and Metcalfe-monopoly Platform Capitalism). I understand the pushback against the "crypto grift", and as a critique of Actually Existing Crypto-Anarchist Political Economy, I completely agree. But the race for the future is happening with or without us. We can either cede the territory to the bad economics (and worse ethics) of Austrian-school neo-goldbugs; or, we can get involved and leverage the tools towards democratic principles, human values, regenerative ecology, and genuine disruption of unproductive rent-seeking. I'd view anything pitching itself as an investment with extreme suspicion. (And by all means: carbon-tax or fully outlaw "Proof of Work" mining.) But there are countless projects that are truly decentralized, not profit-oriented, and community-first/tech-second: Panvala, Breadchain, CommonsStack, Green Pill Party, Basis Project, /r/CryptoLeftists, lots more. By all means, be skeptical, call out moral hazards and perverse incentives, that's all to the good. But let's not ignore the huge opportunity to disintermediate private Capital (old and new), and in the spirit of copyleft/FOSS, to "lock open" our digital and economic infrastructure.
samwillis 5y ago
I think the more interesting thing there is the 'Artifacts' home page [0] and the fact they are archiving these past experiments. Despite its faults its good that Mozilla is cataloging these, they could easily be left to just disappear from existence. 0: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/artifacts/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/artifacts/
freediver 5y ago
What is the simplest, user-friendly, open-source, web maker these days?
- haunter 5y ago
  I know the answer to two of the categories, not to the open source https://elementor.com/ https://elementor.com/
  - lioeters 5y ago
    > Elementor is a free software released under the GPLv3 license
  - tweetle_beetle 5y ago
    The native Gutenberg[1] editor in WordPress (GPLv2) is a few years old now, very capable and will likely make Elementor and similar offerings redundant soon. [1] https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/
flas9sd 5y ago
for the android app, precondition is a login, so I'm unable to review it. here are some headlines to get an idea: http://mozilla.github.io/webmaker-curriculum/ http://mozilla.github.io/webmaker-curriculum/ What is used nowadays in kids (8 - 12) web literacy courses?
ChrisArchitect 5y ago
Remembered this more as a Mozilla initiative promoting 'maker' activities and community calls, hackathons here and there etc. And stuff revolving not around the logo see in that archived page but this Thimble one https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing_thimble/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing_thimble/ Got a large Thimble webmaker sticker in the mail once randomly and I wasn't even sure why/how hehe

Mozilla Webmaker

56 points by throwoutway 5y ago

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eternityforest 5y ago

Another abandoned project from back when Mozilla still liked doing projects.

kunagi7 5y ago
Looks like both Core and Android versions were abandoned back in 2016. Oddly enough, the web version was abandoned in 2018. Still, all versions seem to be React based.
- ocdtrekkie 5y ago
  The sole change to the website in 2018 was changing the Twitter URL in the footer away from a dead account. Not really abandoned any later, just someone sent a cleanup to a deprecated site.
zagrebian 5y ago
Mozilla still likes doing projects: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/
- eternityforest 5y ago
  Ok, it's a bit of an exaggeration, they definitely still do projects, but there's seems to be a real shift in focus now. Most of what they do now is stripped down privacy focused versions of existing stuff rather than innovation like they had in the FlyWeb days.
  - jstummbillig 5y ago
    Trying to not get destroyed by Google does wonders to your focus I would imagine

qualudeheart 5y ago

Perhaps a web3 version web3maker could be implemented?

tasha0663 5y ago
Why would web3 not have mobile sites like web[?] does? The source lives in decentralized version control. This is as web3 as it could get without tacking some kind of pointless blockchain grift onto it.
padraic7a 5y ago
I hope not. Mozilla are having a hard time of it lately but I would really worry that they've lost their way if they touch the steaming pile of crypto scamware shit that is web3.
- lukifer 5y ago
  So-called "web3" is still early-stage and amorphously defined, born of the tensions between web1 (a user-sovereign Commons, but lacking identity and value transfer) and Web 2.0 (payments and identity, at the cost of surveillance, enclosure of social Commons, and Metcalfe-monopoly Platform Capitalism). I understand the pushback against the "crypto grift", and as a critique of Actually Existing Crypto-Anarchist Political Economy, I completely agree. But the race for the future is happening with or without us. We can either cede the territory to the bad economics (and worse ethics) of Austrian-school neo-goldbugs; or, we can get involved and leverage the tools towards democratic principles, human values, regenerative ecology, and genuine disruption of unproductive rent-seeking. I'd view anything pitching itself as an investment with extreme suspicion. (And by all means: carbon-tax or fully outlaw "Proof of Work" mining.) But there are countless projects that are truly decentralized, not profit-oriented, and community-first/tech-second: Panvala, Breadchain, CommonsStack, Green Pill Party, Basis Project, /r/CryptoLeftists, lots more. By all means, be skeptical, call out moral hazards and perverse incentives, that's all to the good. But let's not ignore the huge opportunity to disintermediate private Capital (old and new), and in the spirit of copyleft/FOSS, to "lock open" our digital and economic infrastructure.

samwillis 5y ago

I think the more interesting thing there is the 'Artifacts' home page [0] and the fact they are archiving these past experiments. Despite its faults its good that Mozilla is cataloging these, they could easily be left to just disappear from existence. 0: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/artifacts/ https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/artifacts/

freediver 5y ago

What is the simplest, user-friendly, open-source, web maker these days?

haunter 5y ago
I know the answer to two of the categories, not to the open source https://elementor.com/ https://elementor.com/
- lioeters 5y ago
  > Elementor is a free software released under the GPLv3 license
- tweetle_beetle 5y ago
  The native Gutenberg[1] editor in WordPress (GPLv2) is a few years old now, very capable and will likely make Elementor and similar offerings redundant soon. [1] https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/ https://wordpress.org/gutenberg/

flas9sd 5y ago

for the android app, precondition is a login, so I'm unable to review it. here are some headlines to get an idea: http://mozilla.github.io/webmaker-curriculum/ http://mozilla.github.io/webmaker-curriculum/ What is used nowadays in kids (8 - 12) web literacy courses?

ChrisArchitect 5y ago

Remembered this more as a Mozilla initiative promoting 'maker' activities and community calls, hackathons here and there etc. And stuff revolving not around the logo see in that archived page but this Thimble one https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing_thimble/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/introducing_thimble/ Got a large Thimble webmaker sticker in the mail once randomly and I wasn't even sure why/how hehe