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> No state is incentivized to make zoning more lenient. Zoning is largely a local issue. And zoning is talked about a lot at local council meetings. The prob

> No state is incentivized to make zoning more lenient. Zoning is largely a local issue. And zoning is talked about a lot at local council meetings. The problem is people have very strong opinions when it comes to how the place they live will change. It's trivial to get a sizable contingent of people to oppose zoning permits. There's a huge argument going on a few towns down from me as to whether a 100yo, vacant building in disrepair should be torn down to make room for a community center. One would think this is something obvious that would go unchallenged by locals, but nope. Making zoning a state issue would probably help a lot, but it would piss off home owners. Even early champions of the change are going to hate it when their neighbor's houses get torn down so that a casino or something can be built in their place.

dionidium 5y ago
> Even early champions of the change are going to hate it when their neighbor's houses get torn down so that a casino or something can be built in their place. Even the strongest critics of the status quo don't think we should eliminate all zoning, so that you'd be able to put a casino on a residential street. What we believe is that you should able to build more residences (and maybe a corner store) on residential streets.
- mywittyname 5y ago
  From what I see from zoning reform advocates, many look at Japan as the solution, precisely because in most of japan, residential houses can go in most any zone. Meaning, an old warehouse could be torn down and replaced with SFH without any change in zoning, but theoretically, a gas station or strip mall can be built right next to those same houses. You can replace an old warehouse in the USA with SFHs. The major difference is the area will have to be rezoned completely before construction starts and the public will get their chance to voice their opinions. This allows everyone to agree on what else may be built on this land before houses go up. Will it be mixed use? Residential only? Are multi-tenant buildings allowed? Then there's the big issue of who controls zoning? Should it be at the state or local level? Both have their positives and negatives.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    What about the new elementary school and sewer lines they are going to need to convert an industrial zone into residential property. It’s not like Japan where we feel comfortable sending our kindergarteners off to the train alone to go to a far off elementary school. Oh, ya, we don’t have a train anyways so it’s even more complicated.
cool_dude85 5y ago
>Making zoning a state issue would probably help a lot, but it would piss off home owners. Given the current situation in many state governments, this would have huge ramifications. You might live in a mid-size city and have the wingnut state government refuse to let you build any more homo-muslim-crack housing anywhere in the city center. Or the rural/exurb dominated state house will only let you build a unit in downtown if it comes with 3 parking spots large enough for lifted Ford F350s. Personally, I live in the South in a city where local politics are dominated by the suburbs and it's bad enough already. "Not enough parking downtown" because you might have to walk 3 blocks to the nearest street parking lot, so of course more lots must be subsidized. Huge portions of downtown taken up by 6-lane corridors impossible for pedestrians to cross so that suburbanites can zoom through at 50 MPH. And that's set up by people who live and work 20 minutes away! Imagine the situation if zoning and city planning was primarily determined by car dealership scions who will never come here in their lives.
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dionidium 5y ago

> Even early champions of the change are going to hate it when their neighbor's houses get torn down so that a casino or something can be built in their place. Even the strongest critics of the status quo don't think we should eliminate all zoning, so that you'd be able to put a casino on a residential street. What we believe is that you should able to build more residences (and maybe a corner store) on residential streets.

mywittyname 5y ago
From what I see from zoning reform advocates, many look at Japan as the solution, precisely because in most of japan, residential houses can go in most any zone. Meaning, an old warehouse could be torn down and replaced with SFH without any change in zoning, but theoretically, a gas station or strip mall can be built right next to those same houses. You can replace an old warehouse in the USA with SFHs. The major difference is the area will have to be rezoned completely before construction starts and the public will get their chance to voice their opinions. This allows everyone to agree on what else may be built on this land before houses go up. Will it be mixed use? Residential only? Are multi-tenant buildings allowed? Then there's the big issue of who controls zoning? Should it be at the state or local level? Both have their positives and negatives.
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  What about the new elementary school and sewer lines they are going to need to convert an industrial zone into residential property. It’s not like Japan where we feel comfortable sending our kindergarteners off to the train alone to go to a far off elementary school. Oh, ya, we don’t have a train anyways so it’s even more complicated.

cool_dude85 5y ago

>Making zoning a state issue would probably help a lot, but it would piss off home owners. Given the current situation in many state governments, this would have huge ramifications. You might live in a mid-size city and have the wingnut state government refuse to let you build any more homo-muslim-crack housing anywhere in the city center. Or the rural/exurb dominated state house will only let you build a unit in downtown if it comes with 3 parking spots large enough for lifted Ford F350s. Personally, I live in the South in a city where local politics are dominated by the suburbs and it's bad enough already. "Not enough parking downtown" because you might have to walk 3 blocks to the nearest street parking lot, so of course more lots must be subsidized. Huge portions of downtown taken up by 6-lane corridors impossible for pedestrians to cross so that suburbanites can zoom through at 50 MPH. And that's set up by people who live and work 20 minutes away! Imagine the situation if zoning and city planning was primarily determined by car dealership scions who will never come here in their lives.

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