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Of a highly constrained resource, they're using a tiny fraction of what they've been given. That's a weird definition of "using what they have." If I asked for
by KennyBlanken 5y ago
Of a highly constrained resource, they're using a tiny fraction of what they've been given. That's a weird definition of "using what they have."
If I asked for a class C for my business running a local corner store, I'd be looked at like I was crazy.
IBM gets 16 million public IPs and it's cool?
Yeah, I know you can't perfectly use an IP space, but with 128 offices, IBM could give each office an allocation of around a hundred thousand IP addresses (rounding down by over 20%. But even if it were 10,000 - that's still absurd.)
- Melatonic 5y agoEveryone was talking about domain name squatting but turns out its been IP addresses this whole time :-D But that does definitely seem like an excessive amount for them to own. I would guess the huge swathes the government has reserved are not exactly being used to their potential either.
- icedchai 5y agoIt may be difficult to understand now, but back in the 90's, addresses were handed out like candy. IBM got their allocation in the late 80's. I worked for a couple of small and mid-sized companies that had /16's and larger. And we barely used a fraction of that space. I have a /24, personally, registered back in 1993. It's routed to my home network. I know several other folks who were on the early internet, and had the same.
- jrwr 5y agoOver at a University we run, we like to run like a ISP and only have a /16 to work with, its very tight even now, we have thousands of students using the Wifi, Dorm Networks and such. I do wish we had more.
- digisign 5y agoShouldn't many of those be on NATs?
- detaro 5y agoNo, ISPs shouldn't force users behind NATs.
- digisign 5y agoDuring a shortage, push comes to shove.
- detaro 5y ago> "shouldn't"s are not very useful during shortages. There is an important difference between "it might be necessary to put them behind NATs" and "shouldn't they be on NATs?".
- digisign 5y agoHence the word "many." It's interesting because econ deniers are common at university, haha. In any case, /16 should be enough room to prioritize.
- chocken 5y agoIncorrect. ISPs should use NAT. Users should pay for their own address if they desire.
- lesuorac 5y agoI'd rather the ISP pushed for IPv6.
- birdman914 5y agoWe are at least at the ISP I work for. That is a major project for us this year, but any network engineer can tell you that deploying IPv6 is not straight forward at the ISP level. Getting everyone together on how to have some standard form of addressing from different entities is the toughest lift. Get Juniper, Cisco, and Arista on the phone and you will get three different ways on how to deploy it. You don't want to be the odd duck once the dust settles.
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- bluGill 5y agoUsing only a fraction of your assigned IP address space is good and normal. What is bad is ipv4 doesn't have enough space for everyone. Time to move onto ipv6. I don't know how to make that happen.
- FuriouslyAdrift 5y agoIBM was the original "cloud"... AKA mainframes. They had a LOT of addressed services for decades (still do). If you want to pick on a company for hogging IPv4 space, pick on Apple. They have a /8 and probably aren't using any of it.
- Aloha 5y agoI'd thought apple was using its own IP space for its 'services' hosting. Indeed, both apple.com and icloud.com resolve to 17.253.144.10
- giantrobot 5y ago> If you want to pick on a company for hogging IPv4 space, pick on Apple. They have a /8 and probably aren't using any of it. Most (if not all) of Apple's infrastructure uses their /8 block. With Apple Park they've moved to using a 10/8 with NAT for talking to the outside. Between iCloud, iTMS/App Store, and iMessage Apple's got a non-trivial amount of global network infrastructure beyond just their corporate network. So I guess be mad at Apple for using their IP space?
- FuriouslyAdrift 5y agoI guess I never considered Apple a major player in cloud. I stand corrected.
- oarsinsync 5y ago> If I asked for a class C for my business running a local corner store, I'd be looked at like I was crazy. I asked for a /22 of IPv4 for my home, and was given it, 3 years ago. I also got a /32 of IPv6, and a 32bit ASN to do BGP with. I paid the signup fees to become an LIR, paid the membership fees, and requested my /22, /32, and ASN allocations. There were no looks, crazy or otherwise. The policies are pretty transparent. Pay money, receive resources. That said, the policies have since changed (about a year ago?)