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I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store.

I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I love my walled garden. I purchase apple products for this as I consider it a feature. I understand why some people don’t like this and don’t participate. I spend very little time discussing it as people should be able to make their own decisions. What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind.

wackget 5y ago
You don't see anything wrong with the obviously highly subjective and demonstratably hypocritical approach that Apple is taking here?
- pbronez 5y ago
  I like the AppStore and want it to be good. Clearer, more consistent app reviews and better developer experience would increase the quality, quantity and variety of apps available to me in the AppStore.
  - curt15 5y ago
    So the answer is no?
HeyHugo 5y ago
Yeah high quality guaranteed... https://twitter.com/keleftheriou/status/1480626605370142724 https://twitter.com/keleftheriou/status/1480626605370142724
- deleted 5y ago
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have_faith 5y ago
No one wants to take your walled garden away from you. Freedom for me maintains freedom of choice for you also. You seem to want to limit my freedom because the only available option happens to be your preference.
FrozenSynapse 5y ago
> I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. Because you cannot install anything on your iOS/iPadOS device from anywhere else. I absolutely hate App Store and their stupid policies, I hate that I have an iPad Pro on which I cannot install everything I want because of their idiotic policies, on a device I paid more than 1000 EUR. I cannot wait till EU will force them to allow competing app stores on iOS/iPadOS
- gjsman-1000 5y ago
  "on a device I paid more than 1000 EUR" Then why did you pay for it? Buy a Galaxy Tab. They've got similarly-priced high-end models with OLED screens and an App Store model you like. Not every product has to be designed for your wishes and needs. That's what competition is for.
  - openknot 5y ago
    I used to own a Galaxy Tab S3, and it became horribly slow (a Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus released just the next year in 2018 was faster) after barely more than two years of use. This isn't an isolated case, as there are threads on Reddit documenting slowdowns (with more recent models) due to software updates [0][1]. In contrast, users report the iPad reliably lasting at least 5 years without noticeable slowdowns [2]. There are surprisingly few other Android tablet alternatives aimed to compete with the iPad (especially the iPad Pro). This makes the iPad the only option for a high-end tablet that lasts years without upgrades. There are also other benefits of the iPad (e.g. better stylus with the Pencil, better variety of apps in the App Store, less buggy apps from the App Store), but these can be considered as reasonable tradeoffs in favour of an Android tablet (no walled garden). However, I personally don't believe that the short lifespan of the Galaxy Tabs make them a reasonable competitor to the iPads. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/mzwzew/s5e_slow_after_android_11_update/ https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/mzwzew/s5e_slow_... [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/od1f4v/galaxy_tab_s7_slow/ https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/od1f4v/galaxy_ta... [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/m4013a/how_long_do_ipads_usually_last/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/m4013a/how_long_do_ip...
yawn 5y ago
This sentiment comes up every time people complain about the App Store. If you only want to use Apple's App Store, great--keep using it the same way you've always been using it. Nothing will change for _you_. > What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The failure of people to put themselves in other people's shoes is mind-boggling sometimes. There's a reason why so many people are angry.
- yepthatsreality 5y ago
  Apple pundits will never be able to do this unless the other pair of shoes were made by Apple.
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  > If you only want to use Apple's App Store, great--keep using it the same way you've always been using it. Nothing will change for _you_. That's not really true. The security implications. The effort of having to fix my mom's phone because she got tricked into sideloading something. The last day of my dad's life in a hospital bed was interrupted by my mom's malware filled android phone playing voice advertisements for a casino app every 30 minutes. It was from some supposed "emoji pack" she installed online. I got her an iPhone the next week. Let me have a locked down device. Opening it up will negatively affect the experience of users who want that.
- mojzu 5y ago
  While I mostly agree with you, I think there are some reasonable arguments for why allowing alternative app stores could degrade the iOS experience, for example: - Security, no matter how many warnings you throw up/hoops you make users jump through some number will be convinced to install scammy app stores and apps and then will blame Apple for it. And I imagine the App store has some deep hooks into the rest of iOS which would be difficult to change without opening potential security holes - Fragmentation, competition is great if it serves the user, but multiple app stores could just mean an explosion of exclusivity arrangements and other user-hostile tactics that companies use to try and gain market share
  - 5y ago
mollusk_bound 5y ago
All you've done is created a straw man. No one is arguing that the app store shouldn't exist or that if you choose to you shouldn't be allowed to use it exclusively. The argument is that alternatives should be allowed to exist and that people should be allowed to install whatever software they like on the devices they own. If other app stores or modes of installation exist, that ruins nothing for you. You can just ignore them and go on as you do now.
Semaphor 5y ago
Considering that you replied to this specific article, are we to assume you enjoy seeing tons of 1-to-1 Wordle clones in the app store, but not those providing actually different features? Or did you just want to do an "angry soap box lecture" without much relevance to the article? edit: Just to clarify, this was not an article about Apple having rules, strict rules, or even content curation. This was an article about Apple rolling the die when deciding to accept you or not, and not caring about quality in the slightest.
- wutwut5521 5y ago
  > are we to assume you enjoy seeing tons of 1-to-1 Wordle clones in the app store The article is about rejecting a clone game app, the author is just complaining that this rule is enforced without 100% consistency. If I had to guess Apple hit some sort of clone limit on this concept and started cracking down on new submissions. So author missed the bus. > and not caring about quality in the slightest Dunno where this claim comes from, but the author literally spent 1 day on their app lol.
  - blendergeek 5y ago
    > So author missed the bus. The author specifically mentions that many of these other clones were approved after Wörd was rejected.
  - Semaphor 5y ago
    > Dunno where this claim comes from, but the author literally spent 1 day on their app lol. So you did not read the article. Got it.
fartcannon 5y ago
It's a feature for Apple. To extract money from you and the makers of the apps you love. For you? It's a prison. Apple is glad you like it.
- cruano 5y ago
  Is it a prison that I don't have to install a hundred different launchers ? that I have a reliable way to refund my purchases ? That I don't have to share and trust a random developer with my credit cards ?
  - fartcannon 5y ago
    Yes, because none of that requires the app store.
amelius 5y ago
The problem is the lack of an alternative. To put it bluntly: you might like your nanny filter but other people might have different preferences.
- jeffreyrogers 5y ago
  The alternative is non-Apple phones.
  - kmeisthax 5y ago
    Not an alternative if you want the Apple ecosystem.
    - squeaky-clean 5y ago
      But it sounds likely people in this case do not want the apple ecosystem. If you want the apple ecosystem, you want the app store.
      - amelius 5y ago
        But this explains the problem. When there are only 2 companies, both providing a multitude of features, then the more features there are, the easier you run into the problem that the features you want are not covered by both companies. Therefore, the features should be decoupled from the platform companies as much as possible. Features should be orthogonal to the platform. For example, imagine you cannot buy shoes separately from your pants and your shirt. If there are only two companies making outfits, then you'd easily run into trouble finding an outfit you like.
        Turing_Machine 5y ago
        > When there are only 2 companies There are at least a dozen companies selling Android phones, each of which is free to customize it to their heart's content. For that matter, Android users are free to customize their phones to their heart's content, download apps from sketchy app stores, sideload them....
vinceguidry 5y ago
If you think Apple is doing this because they care about you, gentle user, then you will get burned, eventually, probably really badly, and you won't even have any kind of inkling as to why or how you could have avoided it. Behind the cutesy facade is a rapacious, consumer-hostile monster. The facade is paper-thin, and it's only a matter of time until you rub it the wrong way and it flakes off, then the monster will eat your money and anything you've entrusted to it. Apple products eat people's data, hungrily and mercilessly, then the company blames you when it loses it. It will get the world hooked on their fashionable products then make them less and less usable. Those little mini-stereo to lightning dongles are the worst-made products imaginable. Guess what you can get a mini-stereo port on? An iPod Touch. Very brave, Apple. Instead of offering developers a real userland, you get forced onto zsh because Apple would rather die than ship GPL later than v2. Don't get it twisted, Apple hates you, and loves only money. It's only a matter of time until each and every Apple user is taught that.
- eldaisfish 5y ago
  Comments like these are needlessly cynical. Corporations care about money else they would not have a reason to exist and apple is no exception. What apple sell is something that is accessible to the majority and usable by most. Their sales are testament to this as is the fact that several ios apps are generally higher quality than their android equivalents. This is a natural consequence of the average ios user spending more on apps. There are no two ways around that. As a counter to you headphone jack argument, i could equally make the case that many phone users care about their phones working, not much else. Apple's products are quite durable and many here will attest to using laptops from 2015-2016 and phones equally as old. The short story is that apple provide products and services that people value. Period.
  - vinceguidry 5y ago
    Excuses. Please understand that these are excuses. You are accepting lower quality products and accepting nothing in return, even accepting higher prices. Apple doesn't make the iOS apps that people use and love. They just provide an increasingly crappier platform to put them on. That's what people make for Apple every single time they get burned. Apple lowers the quality of their manufacturing, people don't care. They remove features, people don't care. The reality is, people are irrational and will stay in the pot long after the frog has jumped out. With other products, with other companies, people will absolutely not accept this kind of behavior. The nation empowered Teddy Roosevelt to bring down Standard Oil. Today's robber barons have slicker marketing campaigns and PR departments and social media managers.
champagnois 5y ago
>>I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I read this as: I am currently a happy apple customer. I do not buy apps on other app stores because they do not exist. >>What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind. Apple's practices as a company are things that, historically, have more or less gotten other companies into a lot of legal trouble. The whole world is watching and waiting for a legal system somewhere to step in and say, "Ok, enough is enough."
gameswithgo 5y ago
I hate the apple App Store, if you want my money, don't be on the Apple App Store.
RC_ITR 5y ago
The hidden argument in this “30% is anti-competitive” thing is that it has never been easier for me, as a consumer, to cancel a subscription than to go through Apple to do it. All my subs on one screen with a single click to cancel at any time, without forgoing my pre-paid time. I wish everything were like that.
simion314 5y ago
>I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. Because this is impossible, so how the fck would you judge the grapes you can't taste.
- tshaddox 5y ago
  I assume the commenter’s choice of which smartphone to buy is related to these preferences. If the commenter wanted a smartphone that supports sidelining, they could switch to the other smartphone platform (the one that is vastly more popular than Apple’s).
  - simion314 5y ago
    We all know switching is not free, you might have a lot of digital assets locked inside the garden. Still nobody would force him to give money directly to a developer/artist he can continue feeding poor giant companies and you can check Google Play Store and see that is full of apps(includng Facebook,Apple and Microsoft apps) so there is no risk that an alternative will empty out the official store.
emsy 5y ago
>angry soap box lectures Have you ever considered that you are the one that’s wrong and emotional about it? No one wants to take the App Store away. In fact, I can think of many things the App Store could do to improve my experience. Maybe some competition would be the necessary motivation.
kmeisthax 5y ago
I would recommend that you read the angry soap box lecture before responding to it. Because you didn't say anything about the actual article, you just asserted that you think Apple is a benevolent consumer union and that you have no interest in being told otherwise. If you had read the article you would know that this is another case of a developer being summarily dismissed with little explanation. This kind of story is rather common among iOS developers and it shouldn't happen. In this specific example they said "no copycats", without really explaining what does and does not make a game a "copycat". So the only assumption the developer could make is Apple has an internal policy of "nobody is allowed to make games in which you guess words" because they got embarrassed by a news article on Wordle clones. Whether or not you think this particular developer is justified or not is immaterial. It could be the case that you just happen to really, really hate Wordle clones. However, there is still an issue here: Apple is very much non-communicative with, if not outright hostile to, smaller developers. I doubt you really intended to say "if you want my money you will be a large monopolistic enterprise with a dedicated App Store compliance department and the market power to embarrass Apple", but that's the implication of what you wrote. >The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind. And... what's wrong with that? Apps take time and money to develop[0]. These kinds of no-comment rejections are Apple basically throwing your work in the garbage. It's not "hey you need to change this in order to get approved", it's just a flat "no". [0] More generally, I'm getting the same vibes from that last comment that I do from really angry pirates trying to justify piracy on the grounds that "publishers only care about money".
blendergeek 5y ago
> What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind. Do you support arbitrary and nonsensical reviews? Do you support everything described in the article? Do you support Apple saying that there is one set of standards for all developers even when this is clearly false? You say you spend very little time discussing this point, yet you come and post 150 words about how you love the app store and how great it is (which I get) but you don't address a single claim made in the article. Rather you refer to it as an "angry soap box" and insinuate that the author might be acting in bad faith because of a failed business. The author is upset because Apple failed to properly enforce the rules, and this egregious error cost the author the ability to ship an iOS app. Please respond to this rather than just say, "I love Apple".
sigmar 5y ago
Wouldn't all of these arguments also apply to Internet Explorer in the 90s? Just because you currently love the quality of the bundled and "approved" software packages doesn't mean that will keep being true or that you shouldn't be allowed to install software from other sources

wackget 5y ago

You don't see anything wrong with the obviously highly subjective and demonstratably hypocritical approach that Apple is taking here?

pbronez 5y ago
I like the AppStore and want it to be good. Clearer, more consistent app reviews and better developer experience would increase the quality, quantity and variety of apps available to me in the AppStore.
- curt15 5y ago
  So the answer is no?

HeyHugo 5y ago

Yeah high quality guaranteed... https://twitter.com/keleftheriou/status/1480626605370142724 https://twitter.com/keleftheriou/status/1480626605370142724

deleted 5y ago
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have_faith 5y ago

No one wants to take your walled garden away from you. Freedom for me maintains freedom of choice for you also. You seem to want to limit my freedom because the only available option happens to be your preference.

FrozenSynapse 5y ago

> I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. Because you cannot install anything on your iOS/iPadOS device from anywhere else. I absolutely hate App Store and their stupid policies, I hate that I have an iPad Pro on which I cannot install everything I want because of their idiotic policies, on a device I paid more than 1000 EUR. I cannot wait till EU will force them to allow competing app stores on iOS/iPadOS

gjsman-1000 5y ago
"on a device I paid more than 1000 EUR" Then why did you pay for it? Buy a Galaxy Tab. They've got similarly-priced high-end models with OLED screens and an App Store model you like. Not every product has to be designed for your wishes and needs. That's what competition is for.
- openknot 5y ago
  I used to own a Galaxy Tab S3, and it became horribly slow (a Samsung Galaxy S9 Plus released just the next year in 2018 was faster) after barely more than two years of use. This isn't an isolated case, as there are threads on Reddit documenting slowdowns (with more recent models) due to software updates [0][1]. In contrast, users report the iPad reliably lasting at least 5 years without noticeable slowdowns [2]. There are surprisingly few other Android tablet alternatives aimed to compete with the iPad (especially the iPad Pro). This makes the iPad the only option for a high-end tablet that lasts years without upgrades. There are also other benefits of the iPad (e.g. better stylus with the Pencil, better variety of apps in the App Store, less buggy apps from the App Store), but these can be considered as reasonable tradeoffs in favour of an Android tablet (no walled garden). However, I personally don't believe that the short lifespan of the Galaxy Tabs make them a reasonable competitor to the iPads. [0] https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/mzwzew/s5e_slow_after_android_11_update/ https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/mzwzew/s5e_slow_... [1] https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/od1f4v/galaxy_tab_s7_slow/ https://old.reddit.com/r/GalaxyTab/comments/od1f4v/galaxy_ta... [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/m4013a/how_long_do_ipads_usually_last/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ipad/comments/m4013a/how_long_do_ip...

yawn 5y ago

This sentiment comes up every time people complain about the App Store. If you only want to use Apple's App Store, great--keep using it the same way you've always been using it. Nothing will change for _you_. > What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The failure of people to put themselves in other people's shoes is mind-boggling sometimes. There's a reason why so many people are angry.

yepthatsreality 5y ago
Apple pundits will never be able to do this unless the other pair of shoes were made by Apple.
squeaky-clean 5y ago
> If you only want to use Apple's App Store, great--keep using it the same way you've always been using it. Nothing will change for _you_. That's not really true. The security implications. The effort of having to fix my mom's phone because she got tricked into sideloading something. The last day of my dad's life in a hospital bed was interrupted by my mom's malware filled android phone playing voice advertisements for a casino app every 30 minutes. It was from some supposed "emoji pack" she installed online. I got her an iPhone the next week. Let me have a locked down device. Opening it up will negatively affect the experience of users who want that.
mojzu 5y ago
While I mostly agree with you, I think there are some reasonable arguments for why allowing alternative app stores could degrade the iOS experience, for example: - Security, no matter how many warnings you throw up/hoops you make users jump through some number will be convinced to install scammy app stores and apps and then will blame Apple for it. And I imagine the App store has some deep hooks into the rest of iOS which would be difficult to change without opening potential security holes - Fragmentation, competition is great if it serves the user, but multiple app stores could just mean an explosion of exclusivity arrangements and other user-hostile tactics that companies use to try and gain market share
- 5y ago

mollusk_bound 5y ago

All you've done is created a straw man. No one is arguing that the app store shouldn't exist or that if you choose to you shouldn't be allowed to use it exclusively. The argument is that alternatives should be allowed to exist and that people should be allowed to install whatever software they like on the devices they own. If other app stores or modes of installation exist, that ruins nothing for you. You can just ignore them and go on as you do now.

Semaphor 5y ago

Considering that you replied to this specific article, are we to assume you enjoy seeing tons of 1-to-1 Wordle clones in the app store, but not those providing actually different features? Or did you just want to do an "angry soap box lecture" without much relevance to the article? edit: Just to clarify, this was not an article about Apple having rules, strict rules, or even content curation. This was an article about Apple rolling the die when deciding to accept you or not, and not caring about quality in the slightest.

wutwut5521 5y ago
> are we to assume you enjoy seeing tons of 1-to-1 Wordle clones in the app store The article is about rejecting a clone game app, the author is just complaining that this rule is enforced without 100% consistency. If I had to guess Apple hit some sort of clone limit on this concept and started cracking down on new submissions. So author missed the bus. > and not caring about quality in the slightest Dunno where this claim comes from, but the author literally spent 1 day on their app lol.
- blendergeek 5y ago
  > So author missed the bus. The author specifically mentions that many of these other clones were approved after Wörd was rejected.
- Semaphor 5y ago
  > Dunno where this claim comes from, but the author literally spent 1 day on their app lol. So you did not read the article. Got it.

fartcannon 5y ago

It's a feature for Apple. To extract money from you and the makers of the apps you love. For you? It's a prison. Apple is glad you like it.

cruano 5y ago
Is it a prison that I don't have to install a hundred different launchers ? that I have a reliable way to refund my purchases ? That I don't have to share and trust a random developer with my credit cards ?
- fartcannon 5y ago
  Yes, because none of that requires the app store.

amelius 5y ago

The problem is the lack of an alternative. To put it bluntly: you might like your nanny filter but other people might have different preferences.

jeffreyrogers 5y ago
The alternative is non-Apple phones.
- kmeisthax 5y ago
  Not an alternative if you want the Apple ecosystem.
  - squeaky-clean 5y ago
    But it sounds likely people in this case do not want the apple ecosystem. If you want the apple ecosystem, you want the app store.
    - amelius 5y ago
      But this explains the problem. When there are only 2 companies, both providing a multitude of features, then the more features there are, the easier you run into the problem that the features you want are not covered by both companies. Therefore, the features should be decoupled from the platform companies as much as possible. Features should be orthogonal to the platform. For example, imagine you cannot buy shoes separately from your pants and your shirt. If there are only two companies making outfits, then you'd easily run into trouble finding an outfit you like.
      - Turing_Machine 5y ago
        > When there are only 2 companies There are at least a dozen companies selling Android phones, each of which is free to customize it to their heart's content. For that matter, Android users are free to customize their phones to their heart's content, download apps from sketchy app stores, sideload them....

vinceguidry 5y ago

If you think Apple is doing this because they care about you, gentle user, then you will get burned, eventually, probably really badly, and you won't even have any kind of inkling as to why or how you could have avoided it. Behind the cutesy facade is a rapacious, consumer-hostile monster. The facade is paper-thin, and it's only a matter of time until you rub it the wrong way and it flakes off, then the monster will eat your money and anything you've entrusted to it. Apple products eat people's data, hungrily and mercilessly, then the company blames you when it loses it. It will get the world hooked on their fashionable products then make them less and less usable. Those little mini-stereo to lightning dongles are the worst-made products imaginable. Guess what you can get a mini-stereo port on? An iPod Touch. Very brave, Apple. Instead of offering developers a real userland, you get forced onto zsh because Apple would rather die than ship GPL later than v2. Don't get it twisted, Apple hates you, and loves only money. It's only a matter of time until each and every Apple user is taught that.

eldaisfish 5y ago
Comments like these are needlessly cynical. Corporations care about money else they would not have a reason to exist and apple is no exception. What apple sell is something that is accessible to the majority and usable by most. Their sales are testament to this as is the fact that several ios apps are generally higher quality than their android equivalents. This is a natural consequence of the average ios user spending more on apps. There are no two ways around that. As a counter to you headphone jack argument, i could equally make the case that many phone users care about their phones working, not much else. Apple's products are quite durable and many here will attest to using laptops from 2015-2016 and phones equally as old. The short story is that apple provide products and services that people value. Period.
- vinceguidry 5y ago
  Excuses. Please understand that these are excuses. You are accepting lower quality products and accepting nothing in return, even accepting higher prices. Apple doesn't make the iOS apps that people use and love. They just provide an increasingly crappier platform to put them on. That's what people make for Apple every single time they get burned. Apple lowers the quality of their manufacturing, people don't care. They remove features, people don't care. The reality is, people are irrational and will stay in the pot long after the frog has jumped out. With other products, with other companies, people will absolutely not accept this kind of behavior. The nation empowered Teddy Roosevelt to bring down Standard Oil. Today's robber barons have slicker marketing campaigns and PR departments and social media managers.

champagnois 5y ago

>>I love the App Store. If you want my money then you will be on the App Store. I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. I read this as: I am currently a happy apple customer. I do not buy apps on other app stores because they do not exist. >>What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind. Apple's practices as a company are things that, historically, have more or less gotten other companies into a lot of legal trouble. The whole world is watching and waiting for a legal system somewhere to step in and say, "Ok, enough is enough."

gameswithgo 5y ago

I hate the apple App Store, if you want my money, don't be on the Apple App Store.

RC_ITR 5y ago

The hidden argument in this “30% is anti-competitive” thing is that it has never been easier for me, as a consumer, to cancel a subscription than to go through Apple to do it. All my subs on one screen with a single click to cancel at any time, without forgoing my pre-paid time. I wish everything were like that.

simion314 5y ago

>I have purchased zero items for use on my phone from places outside the App Store. I am very happy with this. Because this is impossible, so how the fck would you judge the grapes you can't taste.

tshaddox 5y ago
I assume the commenter’s choice of which smartphone to buy is related to these preferences. If the commenter wanted a smartphone that supports sidelining, they could switch to the other smartphone platform (the one that is vastly more popular than Apple’s).
- simion314 5y ago
  We all know switching is not free, you might have a lot of digital assets locked inside the garden. Still nobody would force him to give money directly to a developer/artist he can continue feeding poor giant companies and you can check Google Play Store and see that is full of apps(includng Facebook,Apple and Microsoft apps) so there is no risk that an alternative will empty out the official store.

emsy 5y ago

>angry soap box lectures Have you ever considered that you are the one that’s wrong and emotional about it? No one wants to take the App Store away. In fact, I can think of many things the App Store could do to improve my experience. Maybe some competition would be the necessary motivation.

kmeisthax 5y ago

I would recommend that you read the angry soap box lecture before responding to it. Because you didn't say anything about the actual article, you just asserted that you think Apple is a benevolent consumer union and that you have no interest in being told otherwise. If you had read the article you would know that this is another case of a developer being summarily dismissed with little explanation. This kind of story is rather common among iOS developers and it shouldn't happen. In this specific example they said "no copycats", without really explaining what does and does not make a game a "copycat". So the only assumption the developer could make is Apple has an internal policy of "nobody is allowed to make games in which you guess words" because they got embarrassed by a news article on Wordle clones. Whether or not you think this particular developer is justified or not is immaterial. It could be the case that you just happen to really, really hate Wordle clones. However, there is still an issue here: Apple is very much non-communicative with, if not outright hostile to, smaller developers. I doubt you really intended to say "if you want my money you will be a large monopolistic enterprise with a dedicated App Store compliance department and the market power to embarrass Apple", but that's the implication of what you wrote. >The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind. And... what's wrong with that? Apps take time and money to develop[0]. These kinds of no-comment rejections are Apple basically throwing your work in the garbage. It's not "hey you need to change this in order to get approved", it's just a flat "no". [0] More generally, I'm getting the same vibes from that last comment that I do from really angry pirates trying to justify piracy on the grounds that "publishers only care about money".

blendergeek 5y ago

> What I don’t get is the angry soap box lectures from the people who disagree. The intense planning on their part to mess up a thing I love just because they couldn’t make their money… Oh. Nevermind. Do you support arbitrary and nonsensical reviews? Do you support everything described in the article? Do you support Apple saying that there is one set of standards for all developers even when this is clearly false? You say you spend very little time discussing this point, yet you come and post 150 words about how you love the app store and how great it is (which I get) but you don't address a single claim made in the article. Rather you refer to it as an "angry soap box" and insinuate that the author might be acting in bad faith because of a failed business. The author is upset because Apple failed to properly enforce the rules, and this egregious error cost the author the ability to ship an iOS app. Please respond to this rather than just say, "I love Apple".

sigmar 5y ago

Wouldn't all of these arguments also apply to Internet Explorer in the 90s? Just because you currently love the quality of the bundled and "approved" software packages doesn't mean that will keep being true or that you shouldn't be allowed to install software from other sources