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One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like th
by udfalkso 5y ago
One egregiously loud motorcycle rolling through manhattan can be a nuisance to literally millions of people. This is unreasonable and a ticketing system like this makes a ton of sense.
Police enforcement could probably solve the issue just as effectively. Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. If they would just stop ignoring such things the frequency would surely go down as well.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y agoI moved to the city for peace and quiet! I didn't know there would be so many people around!
- Gigachad 5y agoThere would be peace and quiet if it wasn’t for people with modded cars and motorbikes. A very tiny % of people are responsible for almost all the noise.
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- prions 5y agoI'll write a charitable response to your flippant comment. Living in a city has more noise than outside of cities, but that doesn't mean that people deserve to be exposed to noise levels that are harmful to their health. This also ignores people who are born in the city, and can't leave it for various reasons. Various laws on noise levels have been laws in NYC for decades at this point because it's a public health and quality of life problem.
- wildrhythms 5y agoThere is a constant din in a city. The cacophony has a consistency. There is order to the auditory chaos. Compare to a quiet suburb at 5:30am... dead silence interrupted by the neighbor revving their modified F150 audible a mile in every direction. The delta is not the same.
- cassac 5y agoThat’s because the last thing anyone wants is a loud noise complaint to escalate into a shooting.
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- hellisothers 5y agoNot sure why this is getting downvoted, increasing exposure to police increases number of shootings, especially for minorities. And don’t ask for citations, this is and has been all over everywhere for years.
- rozenmd 5y agoIn one particular country perhaps, not a phenomenon worldwide. edit: misread the title, assumed this was about them doing this in Paris (also recently announced)
- lghh 5y agoBut we're talking about that country right now.
- MichaelZuo 5y agoI haven’t actually seen normalized statistics with respect to police density, ‘exposure’ or time on patrol. Do you know who publishes such numbers?
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- google234123 5y agoWell, the current approach of decreasing exposure to police has increased crime
- someguydave 5y ago
- e40 5y agoThere's a freeway about a mile from my house. Summer nights with the windows open, I can easily be awakened by a very loud motorcycle. The freeway is raised and I'm in a sort of canyon (no line of sight to freeway, though!!). Maybe the acoustics are just perfect for my bedroom, but I doubt it's just me. There are probably a million people within earshot of this noise. Lest people think I'm a motorcycle hater: I owned one for years. I had a stock and quiet muffler on it, though.
- raxxorrax 5y agoI believe reaching millions of people with their sound is exactly what some people like to do. Never understood it but there are always some people like that. Especially mopeds are often severe offenders. Not a fan of camera surveillance for such infractions though.
- JKCalhoun 5y agoOwned four Harleys, like you, mine were stock, quiet. People are surprised to find out Harleys sound almost like sewing machines when they are stock. Almost.
- mikestew 5y agoOn the rare occasion that I hear a HD with stock exhaust, it usually turns my head with me asking, "damn, what's that sweet-sounding thing?" Sadly, they're mostly owned by chuckleheads who fuck it up with open pipes.
- wildrhythms 5y agoYup. Harleys with the stock exhaust have a beautiful sound. What a shame that people destroy that iconic engineering in the pursuit of "loud". I cringe every time I see a Harley modified like that.
- whartung 5y agoOn a motorcycle forum, someone asked whether they should upgrade their suspension or their exhaust. I suggested that an upgraded suspension affects your quality of life, an upgraded exhaust affects everyone else. We don't need the windows open to hear the cars and such around here (and they're modern windows). We're near a freeway, but it's not the only culprit. The freeway is either silent or quite noisy depending on ambient weather conditions. But when the cars open up, it sounds like a racetrack. We can hear them accelerating up the on ramp, up shifting as they go, and even when they hit the flyover to the other freeway. The ratio of motorcycles to cars is actually quite low. Most of the offenders are the V8 pony cars.
- rbanffy 5y ago> Cops ignore loud honking and loud cars when its right in front of them. It allows for discretionary law enforcement. Cops love it. They can ignore it you if they like you, or fine you if they don't.
- birdyrooster 5y agoGood ol American rule by law
- Spivak 5y agoIt's single-handedly the best perk of being white in the US. I hate it, it's straight up dystopian, but you can't argue with the benefits of being above the law for anything less than like murder. Being white means I do things like speed, do drugs at parties and concerts, jaywalk, be drunk in public, trespass -- err sorry urban explore, set of fireworks on the 4th without so much as a second glance.
- nsxwolf 5y agoGo on a ridealong. You'll be arresting white people all day.
- SauciestGNU 5y agoYeah it's certainly more nuanced than just race. There has to be the right intersection of race, class, and social network to be above the law in the United States. But I'd essentially guarantee those white people being arrested all day are poor white people and generally not middle- or upper-class white people.
- StanislavPetrov 5y agoExactly this. Obama's kid isn't being arrested when she drives through Martha's Vinyard in her Mercedes. Your chance of being arrested and spending time in prison is far more closely correlated with your income (or lack thereof) than your skin tone.
- grujicd 5y agoIt’s strange to complain about occasional motorcycle noise when emergency sirens could be heard all the time on Manhattan. Orders of magnitude more than in any other city I’ve been to. Or you New Yorkers tune that out?
- potatoz2 5y agoI hear way more honking than sirens. But even granting that sirens are louder, they serve an explicit purpose. Loud cars and motorcycles do not.
- anitil 5y agoThis is something I noticed when I was in the US - It seemed that emergency vehicles leave their sirens on the whole time. Here in Aus they'll leave them off and only turn them on when coming up to an intersection that they don't have traditional right of way on, then back off again (lights on the whole time). Am I wrong about this? I was only in a couple of cities but it was stark how I could always hear sirens
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoWhere I live it's just like you described in AUS. Policies on this stuff varies city by city.
- anitil 5y agoAh ok, I didn't realise. I've mostly been within ~5km of Sydney CBD.
- tqi 5y agoNot that strange. Sirens in NYC are largely directional, and you can hear the noise diminish dramatically once you are no longer in the path of the vehicle. The same is not true of loud cars/motorcycles. Also sirens (mostly) serve a necessary purpose for society, while motorcycle noise serve to stroke their owners selfish egos.
- 01100011 5y agoI don't know what it's like where you live, but in California it increasingly looks like our law enforcement organizations are either dreadfully understaffed or failing miserably at enforcing basic traffic laws. I just drove to San Diego and back from the Bay Area and counted zero cops on the way down and two on the way back, and I returned on Super Bowl eve. In the south Bay Area, I regularly see folks intentionally disregard basic traffic safety laws. I never see anyone pulled over and generally never see any cops. My niece works in public safety in WA state and says that morale is in the gutter as police have been told to back off in all but the most imminent situations. The example she gave is that police now cannot intervene if they see an armed individual approaching a school. That sounds unbelievable but that's straight from the mouth of the local chief of police. I'm not typically pro-law enforcement but I am definitely not pro-no-law enforcement. On an unrelated note, I'm now about to get front window tinting on my vehicles because, why not, it's not like any traffic or vehicle laws are being enforced now.
- acdha 5y ago> The example she gave is that police now cannot intervene if they see an armed individual approaching a school. That sounds unbelievable but that's straight from the mouth of the local chief of police. It’s not true but it makes more sense if they’re saying that as a negotiating tactic: the police are banking that if the media coverage is dominated by stories about crime rising there will be a big reduction in support for police accountability.
- yibg 5y agoThere is one car that drives by my neighborhood on a regular basis that sets off multiple car alarms as it goes by. Some times it's in the middle of the day, some times it's in the middle of the night. If I can hear it in the house through walls / windows etc from a distance I can't imagine how loud it'll be in the car itself. Putting aside consideration for others around you, what is even the appeal of hearing damage levels of car noise?
- dzhiurgis 5y agoI really don't get why motorcycles are legal at all - loud, terrible emissions, used for crimes, huge fatality rate, usually driven by a psychopath who loves revving his toy at 5AM at a residential neighbourhood.
- kojeovo 5y agoThose things you listed are pretty much already illegal: Loud motorcycles with poor emissions. As for the fatality rate, it's mainly only impacting the driver. Forcing them to a car is arguably worse.
- rabuse 5y ago"Used for crimes!". This sounds like that standard argument against crypto, when cash (cars) have done that since their inception.
- ddoolin 5y ago> used for crimes This gave me a chuckle. I have absolutely no data but I'm quite certain cars are "used for crimes" at a much higher rate than motorcycles. Motorcycles are almost all manual, nearly invisible to other drivers, and prone to issues with the smallest of road hazards/obstacles, making them really risky to use as a getaway vehicle seeing as you'd need to be outpacing law enforcement much of the time. Add the adrenaline of "doing a crime" on top of that of high-speed motorcycle riding and you've really got a recipe for disaster in most cases. There was a stolen bike in LA being chased by the cops last month who collided with a car and the rider died. https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2022-01-24/motorcycle-crash-los-angeles-chase-essential-california https://www.latimes.com/california/newsletter/2022-01-24/mot... Maybe being "used for crimes" would be better since you're less likely to actually get away on them!
- throwanem 5y agoOn the other hand, a purely technological solution isn't so much open to accusations of bias, whether justified or otherwise, as are officers using their judgment to decide who to stop and ticket for excess noise.
- zxcvbn4038 5y agoThe cops in NYC more or less ignore everything (unless your black), I've seen people walk right past them smoking weed and they didn't even turn their heads. Every once in a while they'll set up a table in the subway to search backpacks, but they don't dare stop anyone, instead they just stand around comparing their benefit plans for 2.5 hours and counting down until they can retire with pension. Same topic every time. Amazing to hear them rattle off the precise number of years, months, and days until they get their pension. They probably know their HMO handbook better than the HMO does.
- CydeWeys 5y ago> I've seen people walk right past them smoking weed and they didn't even turn their heads. It's legal, why would they turn their heads?
- aaronchall 5y agoThey stopped me at one of those tables once and I'm not black.
- JohnTHaller 5y agoThere are fart cars everywhere all over NYC now. Definitely annoying millions.
- Teever 5y agoI think it's a matter of time before someone deploys tiny quadcopters with with a steel body and db meter and camera. The drones sit and listen for a very large sound and then when they hear it they fly as fast as they can to the source of the audio and kamikaze right into the wheel where the steel body will destabilize the bike causing an accident.
- nine_k 5y agoNo need to ram the driver and spend the drone. It could just spray some paint onto the helmet and clothes. The paint should be easy to wash out, but it should stick for enough time to cause the driver to stop.
- toss1 5y agoI wouldn't recommend anyone go anywhere near creating such a thing. IANAL, but I think it goes waaayy over the line of setting a trap, which is very illegal (even to trap ppl repeatedly doing highly illegal things), and will most definitely get you sued for all you're worth if you manage to cause any injuries, and probably face criminal charges [0][1][2]. Just because you can does not mean that you should... (now having the drone catch up to them and cover them in glitter, maybe) [0] https://www.sfinelaw.com/blog/2019/october/how-setting-a-booby-trap-is-considered-a-forcibl/ https://www.sfinelaw.com/blog/2019/october/how-setting-a-boo... [1] https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/booby-traps/ https://definitions.uslegal.com/b/booby-traps/ [2] https://www.halt.org/booby-traps-and-the-law-defend-your-property/ https://www.halt.org/booby-traps-and-the-law-defend-your-pro...
- causality0 5y agoThe apologists always scream about how "cars will run us over if we're not loud enough to shake the teeth out of your skull!" but I've searched and not found one single study that supports that claim.
- aembleton 5y agoI've searched and cannot find one single apologist that screams "cars will run us over if we're not loud enough to shake the teeth out of your skull!" https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22cars+will+run+us+over+if+we%27re+not+loud+enough+to+shake+the+teeth+out+of+your+skull!%22&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22cars+will+run+us+over+if+we%27r...
- suifbwish 5y agoLoud honking? As opposed to what?