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These applications look really pretty and all, but for my selfish purposes, I just really want real goddamn scrollbars back. I use a mouse that doesn't have a s
by floren 5y ago
These applications look really pretty and all, but for my selfish purposes, I just really want real goddamn scrollbars back. I use a mouse that doesn't have a scroll wheel, but for the life of me I've been unable to figure out how to make applications like Firefox just give me a real scroll bar on the side of the window that's thick enough to grab without fiddly pixel-hunting.
- ugjka 5y agoWhy do you use a mouse without a scrollwheel?
- bitcharmer 5y agoI'd love to see OP's response to that. I don't think I have seen anyone using a mouse without a scroll wheel for at least a decade.
- throwaway889900 5y agoMiddle mouse button + dragging works fine, faster than scrolling in some situations.
- stilisstuk 5y agoI have a be trackball and a vertical mouse. Both expensive. Both without proper scroll. Many trackwheels on are also slow at of you want to flick many pages down. I rely mostly in keyboard.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> Many trackwheels on are also slow at of you want to flick many pages down. This is why the Apple Magic Mouse is so great - it's essentially a phone surface instead of physical buttons.
- floren 5y agoI use the acme text editor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acme_(text_editor) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acme_(text_editor) for work every day. It makes heavy use of mouse chords, so I need 3 real buttons on the mouse, and it's hard to find a mouse with 3 real buttons and a scrollwheel which doesn't get in the way of the buttons. I've got a Kensington Expert Mouse trackball which works pretty well, but at the end of the day an old Logitech PS/2 mouse plugged into a converter is my go-to.
- akvadrako 5y agoI use the middle button lots and the MX master 3 has never given me issues.
- kelnos 5y agoOn the mice I've used recently, the scroll wheel itself was clickable as a middle button. Is that not sufficient for your purposes?
- floren 5y agoUnfortunately not... after prolonged use, my middle finger gets pretty painful from the mid-clicking. It's less ergonomic than a real button.
- kesslern 5y agoConsider a Ploopy trackball. There are 4 easy accessible buttons on the mouse plus another under the scroll wheel, and it's fully programmable. https://ploopy.co/classic-trackball/ https://ploopy.co/classic-trackball/
- reassembled 5y agoMay as well call it Tracky McTrackface. Looks like and awesome project but “Ploopy” is such an odd naming choice. Is it a non-English word or have special meaning in the community?
- bityard 5y agoGenuinely curious what you do when you have to navigate a long document or page that doesn't have a clickable table of contents. If you're at the top and you need to get somewhere close to the bottom, do you just sit there and flick the scroll wheel for 5 minutes?
- tokai 5y agoJust hit End?
- alar44 5y agoPage down?
- duped 5y agoAlt + Scroll in my text editor Middle Click -> Scroll on the web Page Up/Page down everywhere else
- selfhoster11 5y agoNot parent, but I use a trackball. Apparently adding a plain scroll wheel onto one is rocket science or something, based on the prices.
- ginko 5y agoThere’s tons of trackballs with wheels. Both CST Lasertrac and Kensington Expert Mouse have them.
- selfhoster11 5y agoThe Expert Mouse costs a lot, lot more than a simple trackball. And my subjective feeling is that it's actually less ergonomic than the cheaper Logitech I've got.
- voltaireodactyl 5y agoIf you’re open to spending about the same (about $10 more), then the Logitech MX Ergo might be exactly what you’re after. https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-mouse.910-005178.html https://www.logitech.com/en-us/products/mice/mx-ergo-wireles...
- selfhoster11 5y agoI cannot use that kind of trackball. It relies on actuation with my thumbs, and it hasn't worked out very well in the ones I tried. I prefer "ambidextrous" ones with the ball in the middle.
- voltaireodactyl 5y agoWell for the record then this is my jam and I cannot express how much I love it: https://www.rtings.com/mouse/reviews/elecom/huge-m-ht1drbk https://www.rtings.com/mouse/reviews/elecom/huge-m-ht1drbk There’s also the slightly smaller Deft Pro (https://switchandclick.com/elecom-deft-pro-review/ https://switchandclick.com/elecom-deft-pro-review/) which I also own and use for travel — it has a superior scroll wheel and therefore may be a superior choice for you. For me the Huge has a perfect form factor that outweighs all else. On mac I use steermouse to map the buttons. I promise to stop being a trackball pusher now.
- chillfox 5y agoMaybe touch pad on a laptop?
- traverseda 5y agoI have a real scrollbar on firefox with KDE.
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- rland 5y agoI found a solution for Firfox on Ubuntu MATE: 1. go to about:config 2. find widget.non-native-theme.scrollbar.size.override 3. Change to some pixel value (I have mine set at 26). voila! I do not understand why the default is so thin. Really bucks the trend of every UI element being touch-screen large nowadays!
- zozbot234 5y agoBecause if you have touchscreens you can use two-finger gestures, and if you're on a mouse you'll have no issue targeting a thin widget. It makes a lot of sense from that POV.
- rland 5y agoIt would -- but it's set so thin by default that I have trouble targeting it with my mouse!
- anchpop 5y agoFor a fullscreen window it would be nice if moving the mouse all the way to the right edge was sufficient to target the scrollbar, but that doesn't work in Chrome on my mac
- dredmorbius 5y agoMy browser is rarely against the RH side of my display, or even on the RH sie of my screen. My preferred informational / programming layout is browser on left, terminal on right. And in any multi-window layout, any window not aligned with the right-hand display border remains difficult to target.
- saturn_vk 5y agoYou can also use the scroll wheel of the mouse just fine, or the TouchPad scroll gesture. I don't even remember that the scrollbars are invisible anymore
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- ulimn 5y agoDoes this help you? https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/09/how-to-disable-gnomes-overlay.html?m=1 https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/09/how-to-disable-gnomes-...
- patmorgan23 5y agoTouch users don't use the scroll bar, they just swipe up/down.
- oblio 5y agoHe wants an option for a mouse...
- chillfox 5y agoBecause you can’t use the scroll bar on mobile, it’s impossible to get hold of. Swiping is a pain if you need to jump up and down on larger pages.
- Gigachad 5y agoIt’s really easy on iOS at least. It shows up when you scroll. Holding on it causes a haptic click and now you can drag the scroll bar.
- chrismorgan 5y agoSpeak for yourself. Firefox on my PinePhone is not pure overlay scrollbars like almost all other mobile platforms, and I certainly appreciate the ability to manipulate the scrollbar to achieve more scrolling with less effort, and to jump to different parts of long documents with it with just a touch rather than potentially multiple swipes.
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- mvhvv 5y agoI also prefer a real scroll bar because it's easier to accurately scan through huge files, but I'm honestly confused at the idea of not having a scroll wheel in 2022. Excluding touch/gesture mice like the Magic Mouse, I don't think I've seen a mouse without a scroll wheel in maybe 15 years. Is it just a hardy relic, or do you have some kind of special design for accessibility? Edit: Nevermind, sorry I just noticed the other reply that asked the same thing. It's still a very unusual confluence of requirements, but I kinda get it with a track-ball.
- aerique 5y agoThose modern, 1-pixel wide, scrollbars that only expand when you manage to hover over them are a pox on usability. And I say this as someone with a mouse with scrollwheel. They make it hard to see the size of a document and as you said: operating the scrollbar is fiddly. You can't just grab it. First you have to make it expand, then you have to move the mouse again to grab it, but don't move the mouse too much or the scrollbar will shrink again! This is on both Linux and Windows. I have no idea what it is like on OSX.
- cudder 5y agoEven worse. On MacOS the scrollbars are invisible by default, and only appear while you scroll, plus a second or so after stopping. So to grab a scrollbar in MacOS you first have to scroll the document to make the scrollbar appear. Then you have under two seconds to move the pointer on top of the narrow scrollbar so it expands allowing you to grab it before it disappears again.
- chippiewill 5y agoBeen a while since I used a Mac, but I'm fairly certain there was a system level setting for whether scrollbars are always visible or not.
- Shorel 5y agoThat's because scrollwheels are way too clicky and not scrolly enough. You feel every click, and it is translated to aproximately a three line scroll in the document. It is a very discrete signal, instead of a continuous signal. Touchpads have this right, the scroll is very smooth, and you can scroll by tiny amounts if you want. In a way, it is a limitation of the 25+ years old technology. Why it has not been updated to something smoother is a mystery to me.
- ZeWaren 5y agoAs a big fan of keyboards with trackpoints/pointing-sticks, I completely agree. 1px scrollbars are a pain to use.