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> They got exposed as Marxists How so? What are the signals of Marxism within the BLM movement? What's the difference between Marxism & just unrealistic ideal

> They got exposed as Marxists How so? What are the signals of Marxism within the BLM movement? What's the difference between Marxism & just unrealistic idealism?

kbutler 5y ago
One clear difference is the leaders enriching themselves without advancing the welfare of the people they claim to be promoting.
- Tanjreeve 5y ago
  > One clear difference is the leaders enriching themselves without advancing the welfare of the people they claim to be promoting. Ah yes that thing that famously only happens in Marxist political regimes.
  - kbutler 5y ago
    "What's the difference between Marxism & just unrealistic idealism" Difference between Marxism and unrealistic idealism, not between Marxism and other political regimes. But I'd love to see an example of a Marxist regime bigger than a kibbutz that does not display that pattern, if you have one.
    - Tanjreeve 5y ago
      This is a nebulous question you are just going to move the goalposts whatever answer I give seeing as every political regime in history has some degree of enrichment for its leaders. This leaves aside the whole "name a successful example except for these successful examples"
      - kbutler 5y ago
        Yeah, I couldn't come up with one, either. Kibbutzim are questionably successful at best - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz_crisis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz_crisis for example, but they seem to be an upper scalability limit.
nradov 5y ago
One of the BLM founders literally described herself and another founder as "trained Marxists". However that doesn't mean the movement itself is inherently Marxist. Hopefully we can all agree that Black lives do matter, even if some of the movement leaders hold abhorrent political views on other unrelated issues. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-m... I do find it a bit odd though how someone who describes herself as a Marxist now owns multiple luxury homes. https://www.blackenterprise.com/blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-under-fire-for-purchasing-million-dollar-homes/ https://www.blackenterprise.com/blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan...
- Tanjreeve 5y ago
  Is it really that odd that someone in a position of prominence in a capitalist society who has a large income from many jobs is able to buy things? Marx himself sure didn't walk around in a loin cloth demanding people give up all worldly possessions so I'm not sure how this is a valid criticism.

> They got exposed as Marxists How so? What are the signals of Marxism within the BLM movement? What's the difference between Marxism & just unrealistic idealism?

kbutler 5y ago

One clear difference is the leaders enriching themselves without advancing the welfare of the people they claim to be promoting.

Tanjreeve 5y ago
> One clear difference is the leaders enriching themselves without advancing the welfare of the people they claim to be promoting. Ah yes that thing that famously only happens in Marxist political regimes.
- kbutler 5y ago
  "What's the difference between Marxism & just unrealistic idealism" Difference between Marxism and unrealistic idealism, not between Marxism and other political regimes. But I'd love to see an example of a Marxist regime bigger than a kibbutz that does not display that pattern, if you have one.
  - Tanjreeve 5y ago
    This is a nebulous question you are just going to move the goalposts whatever answer I give seeing as every political regime in history has some degree of enrichment for its leaders. This leaves aside the whole "name a successful example except for these successful examples"
    - kbutler 5y ago
      Yeah, I couldn't come up with one, either. Kibbutzim are questionably successful at best - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz_crisis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz_crisis for example, but they seem to be an upper scalability limit.

nradov 5y ago

One of the BLM founders literally described herself and another founder as "trained Marxists". However that doesn't mean the movement itself is inherently Marxist. Hopefully we can all agree that Black lives do matter, even if some of the movement leaders hold abhorrent political views on other unrelated issues. https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-matter-marxist-movement/ https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/jul/21/black-lives-m... I do find it a bit odd though how someone who describes herself as a Marxist now owns multiple luxury homes. https://www.blackenterprise.com/blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan-cullors-under-fire-for-purchasing-million-dollar-homes/ https://www.blackenterprise.com/blm-co-founder-patrisse-khan...

Tanjreeve 5y ago
Is it really that odd that someone in a position of prominence in a capitalist society who has a large income from many jobs is able to buy things? Marx himself sure didn't walk around in a loin cloth demanding people give up all worldly possessions so I'm not sure how this is a valid criticism.