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What the hell. This feels basically native?! I had no idea WebAssembly was this far developed. This feels like electron in reverse, and GOOD.

yamadapc 5y ago
It's completely frozen for me (after downloading), but it's very cool for sure
tbodt 5y ago
What's your environment? It feels like incredibly poor performance for me (Firefox on macOS)
- apexalpha 5y ago
  Firefox 97 on Ubuntu 20.04. It took a while to load, but the site is probably seeing heavy loads. But afterwards it feels like a native application.
- capitainenemo 5y ago
  Smooth for me in Firefox on linux too. Maybe check about:support to see if there's any graphics driver issue?
nottorp 5y ago
Is Electron the baseline to compare to these days, instead of an actual native app?
- apexalpha 5y ago
  I meant Electron brought webapps to the Desktop. Now Web Assembly seems to bring native apps to the browser.
  - jslaby 5y ago
    Next step is bring native apps to the desktop. Then we'll be cookin'
  - iSnow 5y ago
    So the next step would be to write "electron-browserify.js" which emulates a JS runtime in browser so you can run Electron apps remote.
    - Sponge5 5y ago
      I'm sure there's a relevant XKCD somewhere.
    - cprecioso 5y ago
      I can’t really remember who but some months ago a coding scratchpad website launched full virtualized Linux environments in the browser through WASM, you could run Node on it.
    - leodriesch 5y ago
      Well someone has already got WebKit to run in WASM[1] so hey, maybe it’s not that far off :D [1]: https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js
jokoon 5y ago
Define "this far". The toolchains for webassembly are still not trivial to use. I wish more work was done to support WASM, but it requires a lot of work from compiler developers, for each language backend, so it's still a lot of work. Not to mention that I have almost no clue how to debug a WASM build. WASM is clearly the future, but I don't think there is any company really spending money to write better WASM tools, and you can be sure WASM is against the interests of google, apple, microsoft etc.
- leodriesch 5y ago
  Why is it against the interests of large tech companies? I get Apple, but Google is always pretty eager about the advancement of the web platform, see Chrome and Chrome OS.
  - samus 5y ago
    Microsoft was once super scared of Java because it could have filled the role that WASM and desktop browser apps now try to break into. Microsoft tried EEE, but Sun bit back.
  - kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
    Google is happy with most anything you do on the internet, as long as you do it in Chrome so they can watch.
    - leodriesch 5y ago
      I’d say it’s more about Google search being the front door of the internet to most people, so while internet usage is high so is Googles revenue.
- RReverser 5y ago
  > Not to mention that I have almost no clue how to debug a WASM build. I've got you covered: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/wasm-debugging-2020/ https://developer.chrome.com/blog/wasm-debugging-2020/ (TL;DR use Chrome DevTools with the official DWARF integration)

yamadapc 5y ago

It's completely frozen for me (after downloading), but it's very cool for sure

tbodt 5y ago

What's your environment? It feels like incredibly poor performance for me (Firefox on macOS)

apexalpha 5y ago
Firefox 97 on Ubuntu 20.04. It took a while to load, but the site is probably seeing heavy loads. But afterwards it feels like a native application.
capitainenemo 5y ago
Smooth for me in Firefox on linux too. Maybe check about:support to see if there's any graphics driver issue?

nottorp 5y ago

Is Electron the baseline to compare to these days, instead of an actual native app?

apexalpha 5y ago
I meant Electron brought webapps to the Desktop. Now Web Assembly seems to bring native apps to the browser.
- jslaby 5y ago
  Next step is bring native apps to the desktop. Then we'll be cookin'
- iSnow 5y ago
  So the next step would be to write "electron-browserify.js" which emulates a JS runtime in browser so you can run Electron apps remote.
  - Sponge5 5y ago
    I'm sure there's a relevant XKCD somewhere.
  - cprecioso 5y ago
    I can’t really remember who but some months ago a coding scratchpad website launched full virtualized Linux environments in the browser through WASM, you could run Node on it.
  - leodriesch 5y ago
    Well someone has already got WebKit to run in WASM[1] so hey, maybe it’s not that far off :D [1]: https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js https://github.com/trevorlinton/webkit.js

jokoon 5y ago

Define "this far". The toolchains for webassembly are still not trivial to use. I wish more work was done to support WASM, but it requires a lot of work from compiler developers, for each language backend, so it's still a lot of work. Not to mention that I have almost no clue how to debug a WASM build. WASM is clearly the future, but I don't think there is any company really spending money to write better WASM tools, and you can be sure WASM is against the interests of google, apple, microsoft etc.

leodriesch 5y ago
Why is it against the interests of large tech companies? I get Apple, but Google is always pretty eager about the advancement of the web platform, see Chrome and Chrome OS.
- samus 5y ago
  Microsoft was once super scared of Java because it could have filled the role that WASM and desktop browser apps now try to break into. Microsoft tried EEE, but Sun bit back.
- kwertyoowiyop 5y ago
  Google is happy with most anything you do on the internet, as long as you do it in Chrome so they can watch.
  - leodriesch 5y ago
    I’d say it’s more about Google search being the front door of the internet to most people, so while internet usage is high so is Googles revenue.
RReverser 5y ago
> Not to mention that I have almost no clue how to debug a WASM build. I've got you covered: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/wasm-debugging-2020/ https://developer.chrome.com/blog/wasm-debugging-2020/ (TL;DR use Chrome DevTools with the official DWARF integration)