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(2019) and yes, the irony is not lost

by rado 5y ago

adventured 5y ago
There's no irony. What you're referencing was half a century ago. It also isn't ironic for a German circa 1960 to move to the US, or a Russian circa 1995 to move to the US, or for an American to move to Japan in the 1970s, and it wasn't ironic for a million Vietnamese to move to the US, and so on. The people of Vietnam no longer much care about the US involvement in the Vietnam Civil War (which is one reason why US popularity with the people of Vietnam is so high). Soon everyone that fought in that war will be dead and its memory will particularly have faded away accordingly.
- cjbgkagh 5y ago
  I have customers in Vietnam; they said they had to turn around and fight the Chinese who they still dislike for many reasons including Chinese racism. I’m told they don’t even think about Americans all that much. I think they see Westerners as trustworthy business partners who are generally easy to do business with. It’s hard to Google it now; but I remember reading how Vietnamese leaders were saying even during the war how they didn’t hate the American people and look forward to one day sitting down with them to drink tea.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    As do most of the countries with "free world" Internet, Vietnam buys into the global anti China propaganda, it help that our relationship with them has been patchy though out history and we currently have sovereign dispute with them in the South China Sea. Speaking of racism, the reason there are not that many Chinese in Vietnam anymore is that they were literally asked to leave the country when the 2 allies split. I'm not saying China is a trustworthy partner, just find the idea that Americans are better laughable
    - cjbgkagh 5y ago
      There is plenty of pro China propaganda to go around. China is a Han supremacist society and I suspect that would be a more recent experience for them. In my opinion, for their faults Americans are they are still more trustworthy than the Chinese.
      - nsonha 5y ago
        > There is plenty of pro China propaganda to go around. Maybe, but I doubt that's your personal experience. Most people in the "free world" are shielded from pro China propaganda. So, that there is more pro China propaganda than Western propaganda is just their belief.
- maybelsyrup 5y ago
  Wait so members of the generation of Americans who massacred the Vietnamese are going to retire in ... Vietnam ... because they have a more attractive place to live than Americans do ... and you look at that and think "nope nothing to see here"? Lmao dude
  - cuteboy19 5y ago
    There's probably a hundred times more Vietnamese who migrate to America than the other way around. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Vietnam-2021-fig8.png https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_i... According to this graph it's ~40,000 Vietnamese immigrating to the US. I'll be generous and say 40 Americans have retired to Vietnam. The difference is obvious

(2019) and yes, the irony is not lost

by rado 5y ago

(2019) and yes, the irony is not lost

There's no irony. What you're referencing was half a century ago. It also isn't ironic for a German circa 1960 to move to the US, or a Russian circa 1995 to move to the US, or for an American to move to Japan in the 1970s, and it wasn't ironic for a million Vietnamese to move to the US, and so on. The people of Vietnam no longer much care about the US involvement in the Vietnam Civil War (which is one reason why US popularity with the people of Vietnam is so high). Soon everyone that fought in that war will be dead and its memory will particularly have faded away accordingly.

cjbgkagh 5y ago
I have customers in Vietnam; they said they had to turn around and fight the Chinese who they still dislike for many reasons including Chinese racism. I’m told they don’t even think about Americans all that much. I think they see Westerners as trustworthy business partners who are generally easy to do business with. It’s hard to Google it now; but I remember reading how Vietnamese leaders were saying even during the war how they didn’t hate the American people and look forward to one day sitting down with them to drink tea.
- nsonha 5y ago
  As do most of the countries with "free world" Internet, Vietnam buys into the global anti China propaganda, it help that our relationship with them has been patchy though out history and we currently have sovereign dispute with them in the South China Sea. Speaking of racism, the reason there are not that many Chinese in Vietnam anymore is that they were literally asked to leave the country when the 2 allies split. I'm not saying China is a trustworthy partner, just find the idea that Americans are better laughable
  - cjbgkagh 5y ago
    There is plenty of pro China propaganda to go around. China is a Han supremacist society and I suspect that would be a more recent experience for them. In my opinion, for their faults Americans are they are still more trustworthy than the Chinese.
    - nsonha 5y ago
      > There is plenty of pro China propaganda to go around. Maybe, but I doubt that's your personal experience. Most people in the "free world" are shielded from pro China propaganda. So, that there is more pro China propaganda than Western propaganda is just their belief.
maybelsyrup 5y ago
Wait so members of the generation of Americans who massacred the Vietnamese are going to retire in ... Vietnam ... because they have a more attractive place to live than Americans do ... and you look at that and think "nope nothing to see here"? Lmao dude
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  There's probably a hundred times more Vietnamese who migrate to America than the other way around. https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_images/SPT-Vietnam-2021-fig8.png https://www.migrationpolicy.org/sites/default/files/source_i... According to this graph it's ~40,000 Vietnamese immigrating to the US. I'll be generous and say 40 Americans have retired to Vietnam. The difference is obvious