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> things that are happening but are wrong for wokes I'll admit that I found parsing the whole comment rather difficult so I may have missed something, but what

by feurio 5y ago

> things that are happening but are wrong for wokes I'll admit that I found parsing the whole comment rather difficult so I may have missed something, but what are "wokes"?

lnxg33k1 5y ago
I am not sure, english is not my mother tongue so I might have written something in a non-understandable way, if there's something that I might have written better let me know if you want. As for wokes -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
- feurio 5y ago
  OK, thank you for clarifying. So "wokes" are people who are 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'. > newspaper should not report things that are happening but are wrong for wokes, they should only report things that they like, even if what they don't like happened and makes news So what have "wokes" got to do with anything? They are just people who aren't racist, right? Again, maybe I have misunderstood.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Yeah that was the starting point of the culture, and I think it's a start in order to get more documented about what they've grown into and how, so yeah they're those against racism and the likes but are also those who went against newspapers reporting news that they didn't like as written in my post
    - feurio 5y ago
      OK, I'm still a little unclear - can you give me a concrete example of a such a news story? And, perhaps to clarify further, do you consider yourself woke, or anti-woke?
      - lnxg33k1 5y ago
        I am an anti-woke, but also gave you a starting point which explains what woke is (or was?), but I'm afraid what I wrote is not something I can link, as I wrote it was middle pandemic and going back to find posts from back then is a bit time consuming for me, then you can believe it or not, that's your choice, but I am not sure what should I do here, I guess for in depth research you can also go around the web yourself and find posts about them, last suggestion would be to look for "Woke regime"
        feurio 5y ago
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        You can also fight noble cause in a wrong way, you go with the alert against racial prejudice and discrimination in a way that causes other issues, I am against woke because they want people banned or muted or offended from platform for saying things that they don't agree with I think you're oversimplifying serious issues there, it's not being against or pro racial prejudice, it's being against racial prejudice but also pro freedom of speech, against moderation and censorship and pro conversation Woke culture has alienated whoever was racist, and whoever had racist idea was removed from Twitter, the result? They just created their own societies on 4chan and other QAnon channels, away from conversation and from anyone who could tell them why their ideas were wrong, the result? Racist grew their support to the point where Trump was elected president, now that Trump is banned from Twitter, he is still growing his user base, away, unmoderated, and without the opportunity to discuss so yeah I am against wokes
        feurio 5y ago
        I don't think that I am oversimplifying anything. Why are you conflating freedom of speech, moderation and censorship? Freedom of speech means the government won't come and arrest you for saying something. That's got nothing to do with wokeness or Twitter. Twitter (et al) are commercial businesses. They have terms of service and if you don't abide to them you get kicked. It's very simple. You're not paying for it - you're not the customer. If a pig farm discovers that some pigs have started tail-biting and annoyng the other pigs then they'll take 'em out back. Letting a minority annoy the other pigs, resulting in a less valuable product doesn't benefit them. Twitter users are the pigs, not the supermarket. it's just good business. I'll defend to the death your right to your freedom of speech even though don't agree with it, but I'm damned if I'm going to lend you a megaphone to express it. Particularly if you're going to, say, deny the holocaust and my granparents were exterminated in it. And as for the idea that racists are going to stop being racists if theyre not on Twitter for people tell them that they are wrong, well bless your heart. > now that Trump is banned from Twitter, he is still growing his user base, away, unmoderated, and without the opportunity to discuss I thought that you were against moderation?
  - wccrawford 5y ago
    It isn't just that they're alert to it, they're hyper alert to it. They even see it where it doesn't exist, and they "white knight" for it, trying to prevent people from giving offense even if nobody is actually offended. They take "being a good person" so far that they make life hard for others instead. The root of their beliefs is good: All people are worthy of respect and shouldn't be judged based on things out of their control. But the lengths they go for that is just too much. They often refuse to even consider that there may be other factors that need to be taken into account as well and shout down everything that doesn't align with their view. That makes it hard to fight against them. They've set themselves up to be seen as always being in the right, but because they refuse to have nuance, they often aren't.
    - feurio 5y ago
      Can you give an example, please? ("They take "being a good person" so far that they make life hard for others instead.", for example is a bit vague - that could apply to pious Christians, you're not against Christians, are you?)
      - inglor_cz 5y ago
        Not the OP, but "holier than thou" is not a positive human type.
        feurio 5y ago
        Neither is it exclusive to the woke, or anyone else. What I would really like to see is a concrete example, which so far everyone has declined to give. It's customary to provide some actual evidence to back up claims. "Your honor, the defendant killed the victim in cold blood" "I see, proceed with your evidence" "Meh, go find it for yourself."
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        But the judge, the prosecutor and the lawyers are all paid to give the judge stuff, we're here having a conversation, but I am not sure what kind of proof do you want and what should we do, like it's not that newspapers write article about wokes being wokes, just maybe go around on twitter or go on twitter and write something controversial like "#FuckBLM" and see what comes at you, not sure what do you want or I mean I know what do you want, but don't know how long do you want me to reply to you, or others, like I am very patient in conversations, but I feel like don quixote and as a non native speaker I feel like you're misunderstanding what I say, genuinely or not, I guess someone here thinks not, but I think I am done, its been a few hours, you've been told things, you've been given links, and now I think it's time for you to go to explore the world by yourself... fly free

by feurio 5y ago

> things that are happening but are wrong for wokes I'll admit that I found parsing the whole comment rather difficult so I may have missed something, but what are "wokes"?

lnxg33k1 5y ago

I am not sure, english is not my mother tongue so I might have written something in a non-understandable way, if there's something that I might have written better let me know if you want. As for wokes -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

feurio 5y ago
OK, thank you for clarifying. So "wokes" are people who are 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination'. > newspaper should not report things that are happening but are wrong for wokes, they should only report things that they like, even if what they don't like happened and makes news So what have "wokes" got to do with anything? They are just people who aren't racist, right? Again, maybe I have misunderstood.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  Yeah that was the starting point of the culture, and I think it's a start in order to get more documented about what they've grown into and how, so yeah they're those against racism and the likes but are also those who went against newspapers reporting news that they didn't like as written in my post
  - feurio 5y ago
    OK, I'm still a little unclear - can you give me a concrete example of a such a news story? And, perhaps to clarify further, do you consider yourself woke, or anti-woke?
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      I am an anti-woke, but also gave you a starting point which explains what woke is (or was?), but I'm afraid what I wrote is not something I can link, as I wrote it was middle pandemic and going back to find posts from back then is a bit time consuming for me, then you can believe it or not, that's your choice, but I am not sure what should I do here, I guess for in depth research you can also go around the web yourself and find posts about them, last suggestion would be to look for "Woke regime"
      - feurio 5y ago
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        You can also fight noble cause in a wrong way, you go with the alert against racial prejudice and discrimination in a way that causes other issues, I am against woke because they want people banned or muted or offended from platform for saying things that they don't agree with I think you're oversimplifying serious issues there, it's not being against or pro racial prejudice, it's being against racial prejudice but also pro freedom of speech, against moderation and censorship and pro conversation Woke culture has alienated whoever was racist, and whoever had racist idea was removed from Twitter, the result? They just created their own societies on 4chan and other QAnon channels, away from conversation and from anyone who could tell them why their ideas were wrong, the result? Racist grew their support to the point where Trump was elected president, now that Trump is banned from Twitter, he is still growing his user base, away, unmoderated, and without the opportunity to discuss so yeah I am against wokes
        feurio 5y ago
        I don't think that I am oversimplifying anything. Why are you conflating freedom of speech, moderation and censorship? Freedom of speech means the government won't come and arrest you for saying something. That's got nothing to do with wokeness or Twitter. Twitter (et al) are commercial businesses. They have terms of service and if you don't abide to them you get kicked. It's very simple. You're not paying for it - you're not the customer. If a pig farm discovers that some pigs have started tail-biting and annoyng the other pigs then they'll take 'em out back. Letting a minority annoy the other pigs, resulting in a less valuable product doesn't benefit them. Twitter users are the pigs, not the supermarket. it's just good business. I'll defend to the death your right to your freedom of speech even though don't agree with it, but I'm damned if I'm going to lend you a megaphone to express it. Particularly if you're going to, say, deny the holocaust and my granparents were exterminated in it. And as for the idea that racists are going to stop being racists if theyre not on Twitter for people tell them that they are wrong, well bless your heart. > now that Trump is banned from Twitter, he is still growing his user base, away, unmoderated, and without the opportunity to discuss I thought that you were against moderation?
- wccrawford 5y ago
  It isn't just that they're alert to it, they're hyper alert to it. They even see it where it doesn't exist, and they "white knight" for it, trying to prevent people from giving offense even if nobody is actually offended. They take "being a good person" so far that they make life hard for others instead. The root of their beliefs is good: All people are worthy of respect and shouldn't be judged based on things out of their control. But the lengths they go for that is just too much. They often refuse to even consider that there may be other factors that need to be taken into account as well and shout down everything that doesn't align with their view. That makes it hard to fight against them. They've set themselves up to be seen as always being in the right, but because they refuse to have nuance, they often aren't.
  - feurio 5y ago
    Can you give an example, please? ("They take "being a good person" so far that they make life hard for others instead.", for example is a bit vague - that could apply to pious Christians, you're not against Christians, are you?)
    - inglor_cz 5y ago
      Not the OP, but "holier than thou" is not a positive human type.
      - feurio 5y ago
        Neither is it exclusive to the woke, or anyone else. What I would really like to see is a concrete example, which so far everyone has declined to give. It's customary to provide some actual evidence to back up claims. "Your honor, the defendant killed the victim in cold blood" "I see, proceed with your evidence" "Meh, go find it for yourself."
        lnxg33k1 5y ago
        But the judge, the prosecutor and the lawyers are all paid to give the judge stuff, we're here having a conversation, but I am not sure what kind of proof do you want and what should we do, like it's not that newspapers write article about wokes being wokes, just maybe go around on twitter or go on twitter and write something controversial like "#FuckBLM" and see what comes at you, not sure what do you want or I mean I know what do you want, but don't know how long do you want me to reply to you, or others, like I am very patient in conversations, but I feel like don quixote and as a non native speaker I feel like you're misunderstanding what I say, genuinely or not, I guess someone here thinks not, but I think I am done, its been a few hours, you've been told things, you've been given links, and now I think it's time for you to go to explore the world by yourself... fly free