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>The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. This is not correct. The Ottawa police have repeatedly said that they're ready to arrest anyone breaking the

by 6nf 5y ago

>The Ottawa police refused to do any enforcement. This is not correct. The Ottawa police have repeatedly said that they're ready to arrest anyone breaking the law but currently it is not illegal to park in public roads with trucks and the truck drivers are mostly abiding by all laws. Less than half a dozen people have been arrested because there's no laws being broken. The reason they are not doing any enforcement is because they have no legal authority to kick out the bulk of the protestors.

rescripting 5y ago
Ottawa resident here, this is so far off base I’d call it propaganda. Fireworks in the downtown core nightly. Air horns for days on end. Harassment, assaults and intimidation targeted towards minorities or those wearing a mask. Public urination, defication. Even “it’s not illegal to park on public roads” is false because they’re parked across all lanes, blocking north/south access to several blocks.
- 6nf 5y ago
  How many people have been arrested for breaking laws? Last I checked it was 4.
  - mmastrac 5y ago
    This is no proof that laws are not being broken.
    - 6nf 5y ago
      What if I gave you a video of the Ottawa police chief begging for people to report more crimes because they are unable to find more people to arrest?
      - rescripting 5y ago
        He said they cannot respond to incidents reported on social media, so please call them in. This was in response to a question from a reporter about an incident they saw on social media. Enforcement is non existent. The police are so afraid of escalating what are clearly a volatile group that they’ve opted to arrest only when it’s unavoidable. Whether or not that I keeping a lid on the situation is up for debate, but what isn’t up for debate is that laws are being broken and it’s making life hell for residents. Oh, also, three days ago protestors jammed the emergency lines with phony calls. It would ring until the line disconnected. It’s a miracle no deaths were directly attributed to this.
- Breza 5y ago
  This makes more sense than GP. I can't imagine it's legal to block traffic in Canada. If a car breaks down on a Canadian highway, do the authorities throw up their hands and say "If only we could do something!" I imagine they tow the car pretty quickly.
rpeden 5y ago
Can you find where they said that? Because their press release says otherwise: https://www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?page=2&newsId=1bc1b5ab-51e3-4860-8937-b181d4475989 https://www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?page=2&n... As noted in the release, blocking a public road the way they've been doing seems to be a violation of section 423(g) of the Criminal Code: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-423.html https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-423.ht... Note that the Criminal Code defines "highway" as "a road to which the public has the right of access, and includes bridges over which or tunnels through which a road passes." There's also mischief - section 430(1)(c): https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-430.html https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-430.ht... They've certainly interfered with Centretown residents' lawful enjoyment of their property. Not to mention Highway Traffic Act violations. Plus other Criminal Code violations for the train horns (and while we're at it, even by-law violations). The reality is that the Ottawa Police have had plenty of tools at their disposal but have chosen not to. I don't mean to blame the individual officers - I've seen quite a few of them on the live streams trying their best. I see it more as a failure of leadership. And I get that during a protest, it's better for police to err on the side of not nailing people for every infraction they can. But it seems like they have the tools to do a lot of than they've done - and have had these tools available since the beginning. Also, in fairness - it could be they have intel about weapons like the ones the RCMP seized at the Alberta blockade today. That would explain their reluctance, and would mean they are really stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they step up enforcement and kick off an armed conflict, they'll get blamed for that, too. So it might be a bit of a no-win situation. But if that's the case, it's not very visible from the outside - making the whole situation understandably frustrating for citizens who feel like they are paying $350mil a year and not getting enough protection in return.
- 6nf 5y ago
  The roads are not blocked, the truckers have kept lanes open for emergency vehicles etc. The police have begged repeatedly for people to report lawbreaking to them so they can arrest more people.
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by 6nf 5y ago

rescripting 5y ago

Ottawa resident here, this is so far off base I’d call it propaganda. Fireworks in the downtown core nightly. Air horns for days on end. Harassment, assaults and intimidation targeted towards minorities or those wearing a mask. Public urination, defication. Even “it’s not illegal to park on public roads” is false because they’re parked across all lanes, blocking north/south access to several blocks.

6nf 5y ago
How many people have been arrested for breaking laws? Last I checked it was 4.
- mmastrac 5y ago
  This is no proof that laws are not being broken.
  - 6nf 5y ago
    What if I gave you a video of the Ottawa police chief begging for people to report more crimes because they are unable to find more people to arrest?
    - rescripting 5y ago
      He said they cannot respond to incidents reported on social media, so please call them in. This was in response to a question from a reporter about an incident they saw on social media. Enforcement is non existent. The police are so afraid of escalating what are clearly a volatile group that they’ve opted to arrest only when it’s unavoidable. Whether or not that I keeping a lid on the situation is up for debate, but what isn’t up for debate is that laws are being broken and it’s making life hell for residents. Oh, also, three days ago protestors jammed the emergency lines with phony calls. It would ring until the line disconnected. It’s a miracle no deaths were directly attributed to this.
Breza 5y ago
This makes more sense than GP. I can't imagine it's legal to block traffic in Canada. If a car breaks down on a Canadian highway, do the authorities throw up their hands and say "If only we could do something!" I imagine they tow the car pretty quickly.

rpeden 5y ago

Can you find where they said that? Because their press release says otherwise: https://www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?page=2&newsId=1bc1b5ab-51e3-4860-8937-b181d4475989 https://www.ottawapolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?page=2&n... As noted in the release, blocking a public road the way they've been doing seems to be a violation of section 423(g) of the Criminal Code: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-423.html https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-423.ht... Note that the Criminal Code defines "highway" as "a road to which the public has the right of access, and includes bridges over which or tunnels through which a road passes." There's also mischief - section 430(1)(c): https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-430.html https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-46/section-430.ht... They've certainly interfered with Centretown residents' lawful enjoyment of their property. Not to mention Highway Traffic Act violations. Plus other Criminal Code violations for the train horns (and while we're at it, even by-law violations). The reality is that the Ottawa Police have had plenty of tools at their disposal but have chosen not to. I don't mean to blame the individual officers - I've seen quite a few of them on the live streams trying their best. I see it more as a failure of leadership. And I get that during a protest, it's better for police to err on the side of not nailing people for every infraction they can. But it seems like they have the tools to do a lot of than they've done - and have had these tools available since the beginning. Also, in fairness - it could be they have intel about weapons like the ones the RCMP seized at the Alberta blockade today. That would explain their reluctance, and would mean they are really stuck between a rock and a hard place because if they step up enforcement and kick off an armed conflict, they'll get blamed for that, too. So it might be a bit of a no-win situation. But if that's the case, it's not very visible from the outside - making the whole situation understandably frustrating for citizens who feel like they are paying $350mil a year and not getting enough protection in return.

6nf 5y ago
The roads are not blocked, the truckers have kept lanes open for emergency vehicles etc. The police have begged repeatedly for people to report lawbreaking to them so they can arrest more people.
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