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It was also probably a career limiting move going around in 2020 trying to rally against school closures as literally the rest of the country was shutting down.

It was also probably a career limiting move going around in 2020 trying to rally against school closures as literally the rest of the country was shutting down. You might have empirical data now, and you feel that your gut feeling was correct, but merely trying to justify this now with the knowledge of hindsight feels ironically shortsighted.

LanceH 5y ago
"Then, in October 2020, when it was clear public schools were not going to open that fall, I proposed to the company leadership that we weigh in on the topic of school closures in our city, San Francisco." October 2020 -- not like it was April. Much of the country had at least some in-person schooling going on. It should have been at least discussable without saying she's racist and doesn't care if all the minority children die.
hiram112 5y ago
> You might have empirical data now, and you feel that your gut feeling was correct, but merely trying to justify this now with the knowledge of hindsight feels ironically shortsighted. This doesn't sound like something a health society would want to embrace. This woman publicly went against the establishment narrative, which is a dangerous play in modern America (see Joe Rogan e.g.). Well, turns out, her views were generally CORRECT. She was right. The mob was wrong. Or at least, her opinions were as valid as the rest of us, since we're watching in real time as the last two year's of covid hysteria are memory-holed now that they're deemed a political liability in the next election. IOW, "Trust the Science" has, therefore, been shown to have been mostly bullsh*t. A healthy society would generally reward someone who was proven to be right, especially when they risked so much calling out that the emperor was naked. But it seems like we've entered a period where, even if you're later proven to have been correct, the mere act of defying the mob, is enough to permanently cancel you. It is an unforgivable sin.
- otterley 5y ago
  There’s a pretty wide gulf between having controversial opinions on hot-button issues and expressing them to your friends and family, and being in the line of succession for CEO (as well as the current brand owner) at one of the most well-known companies in America and going on Laura Ingraham without your employer’s consent to talk about your views. There’s an old saw about “you can be right, or you can be married.” Being right isn’t everything. Perceptions, relationships, and influence matters - and the higher you are in the career ladder, the most impact you have. You have to think about that impact with all the stakeholders in mind. It’s not just about you - it’s about your fellow employees and others who you influence, directly or indirectly (to the point of being able to put food on the table) by your actions.
  - jimbokun 5y ago
    > without your employer’s consent to talk about your views. Employers should not be allowed to control their employees speech, outside of their role of officially speaking for the company. > There’s an old saw about “you can be right, or you can be married.” If you are given your employment relationship the same value as your marriage, I think that's very sad.
- nicoffeine 5y ago
  She was correct if you don't consider children as a vector for COVID-19 transmission to parents and grandparents. Hundreds of thousands more people would have died if schools weren't shutdown before the vaccine was available.
  - LanceH 5y ago
    Should schools still be closed now? What else should be closed still? Should schools be closed so firmly now that discussion of the subject is racist? At what point are people even allowed to discuss it?
    - nicoffeine 5y ago
      The guidance from the CDC has been relatively clear: closures depend on the state of the local hospital system and transmission rates. Closures that avoid overwhelming health systems protect medical staff, increase COVID survival rates, and allow people who need non-COVID treatment for diseases like cancer to have access. It has been that way since the beginning of COVID, and is part of the standard response for every pandemic in modern history. The only person who has been bringing up racism is you. If you want to participate in a culture war by complaining about culture wars, go right ahead. If you want to discuss pandemic response, please join the conversation. Better yet, join the campaign to get people vaccinated. It will save lives and we can re-open more quickly.
      - LanceH 5y ago
        > The only person who has been bringing up racism is you. The article directly addresses her being called racist for considering opening the schools. There are multiple paragraphs addressing this in the article. > If you want to participate... > If you want to discuss pandemic response > Better yet, join the campaign to get people vaccinated Thanks for telling me what I should do, without knowing what I've been doing.
        nicoffeine 5y ago

LanceH 5y ago

"Then, in October 2020, when it was clear public schools were not going to open that fall, I proposed to the company leadership that we weigh in on the topic of school closures in our city, San Francisco." October 2020 -- not like it was April. Much of the country had at least some in-person schooling going on. It should have been at least discussable without saying she's racist and doesn't care if all the minority children die.

hiram112 5y ago

> You might have empirical data now, and you feel that your gut feeling was correct, but merely trying to justify this now with the knowledge of hindsight feels ironically shortsighted. This doesn't sound like something a health society would want to embrace. This woman publicly went against the establishment narrative, which is a dangerous play in modern America (see Joe Rogan e.g.). Well, turns out, her views were generally CORRECT. She was right. The mob was wrong. Or at least, her opinions were as valid as the rest of us, since we're watching in real time as the last two year's of covid hysteria are memory-holed now that they're deemed a political liability in the next election. IOW, "Trust the Science" has, therefore, been shown to have been mostly bullsh*t. A healthy society would generally reward someone who was proven to be right, especially when they risked so much calling out that the emperor was naked. But it seems like we've entered a period where, even if you're later proven to have been correct, the mere act of defying the mob, is enough to permanently cancel you. It is an unforgivable sin.

otterley 5y ago
There’s a pretty wide gulf between having controversial opinions on hot-button issues and expressing them to your friends and family, and being in the line of succession for CEO (as well as the current brand owner) at one of the most well-known companies in America and going on Laura Ingraham without your employer’s consent to talk about your views. There’s an old saw about “you can be right, or you can be married.” Being right isn’t everything. Perceptions, relationships, and influence matters - and the higher you are in the career ladder, the most impact you have. You have to think about that impact with all the stakeholders in mind. It’s not just about you - it’s about your fellow employees and others who you influence, directly or indirectly (to the point of being able to put food on the table) by your actions.
- jimbokun 5y ago
  > without your employer’s consent to talk about your views. Employers should not be allowed to control their employees speech, outside of their role of officially speaking for the company. > There’s an old saw about “you can be right, or you can be married.” If you are given your employment relationship the same value as your marriage, I think that's very sad.
nicoffeine 5y ago
She was correct if you don't consider children as a vector for COVID-19 transmission to parents and grandparents. Hundreds of thousands more people would have died if schools weren't shutdown before the vaccine was available.
- LanceH 5y ago
  Should schools still be closed now? What else should be closed still? Should schools be closed so firmly now that discussion of the subject is racist? At what point are people even allowed to discuss it?
  - nicoffeine 5y ago
    The guidance from the CDC has been relatively clear: closures depend on the state of the local hospital system and transmission rates. Closures that avoid overwhelming health systems protect medical staff, increase COVID survival rates, and allow people who need non-COVID treatment for diseases like cancer to have access. It has been that way since the beginning of COVID, and is part of the standard response for every pandemic in modern history. The only person who has been bringing up racism is you. If you want to participate in a culture war by complaining about culture wars, go right ahead. If you want to discuss pandemic response, please join the conversation. Better yet, join the campaign to get people vaccinated. It will save lives and we can re-open more quickly.
    - LanceH 5y ago
      > The only person who has been bringing up racism is you. The article directly addresses her being called racist for considering opening the schools. There are multiple paragraphs addressing this in the article. > If you want to participate... > If you want to discuss pandemic response > Better yet, join the campaign to get people vaccinated Thanks for telling me what I should do, without knowing what I've been doing.
      - nicoffeine 5y ago