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A whole lot of ink to be spilled complaining about the movement of the overton window. Substantive discussions of sensitive topics are, if anything, more common

A whole lot of ink to be spilled complaining about the movement of the overton window. Substantive discussions of sensitive topics are, if anything, more common, widespread, and participated in than ever. You only hear bellyaching from people who feel that the consensus on those issues has shifted away from their point of view. Note that this article spends more time bemoaning the mere deplatforming of the (at best, bimbo level) podcast the Joe Rogan Experience (which hasn't even happened!) than the outright banning of books in Texas schools. This guy needs to pull his head out of his ass, in short. Controversial, complicated conversations are happening _everywhere and all the time_ in the modern world. I would bet solid money that the open discussion of taboo ideas is _more_ common now than at any point in history.

deburo 5y ago
I think hearing about the pushback against cancel culture is important just to know it's not as one-sided as it appears in parts of the Twitter sphere. I find it reassuring quite frankly.
littlestymaar 5y ago
> Note that this article spends more time bemoaning the mere deplatforming of the (at best, bimbo level) podcast the Joe Rogan Experience (which hasn't even happened!) Not only he hasn't been censored, but the controversy actually comes from the fact Joe Rogan was promoted by Spotify who've signed a huge deal (we're talking about dozens of million dollar here) with Rogan!
fatbird 5y ago
As you say, plus the fact that this is Quillette, a publication founded in part to give a platform to writers on the topic of race and IQ. Their arguments against any sort of deplatforming are pernicious and self-serving.
seandoe 5y ago
> deplatforming of the (at best, bimbo level) podcast the Joe Rogan Experience (which hasn't even happened!) Spotify Removes 70 Episodes of The Joe Rogan Experience - https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/02/04/spotify-removed-joe-rogan-podcasts-2022/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/02/04/spotify-removed-...
- Supermancho 5y ago
  As I understand it, deplatforming is a larger concept than "make sure everything ever said by someone readily available". Publicly curating the content leaves a trail to obtain that content, if you are interested. You are free to disagree.
  - seandoe 5y ago
    Yea, I understand your point and I don't think Joe Rogan has been completely "deplatformed". I'm sure it's still possible to find the books after a book burning, or more, book burning doesn't mute the author so you could find them and reap their content via conversation. My point is that his content is being censored to some degree. In addition, it seems more damaging to only censor some of his content because most people won't even know what they are missing and why. I'm not pulling for Joe Rogan in particular. I used to listen to some of his podcasts when it was on youtube. But, I'm absolutely against this type of corporate censorship by content stewards. Yes, I think every business has and should have the right, but I don't like seeing it and choose to push back wherever I can.
    - awb 5y ago
      > My point is that his content is being censored to some degree. To the degree that's it's no longer called censorship. Just like an author sells the rights of their books to a publisher. The publisher can publish or not, it's their choice. If you don't want to give someone that kind of control, write it into the contract that they give up the rights to anything not published within 1 week of creation for example. But it isn't censorship if you willingly sell the rights to your content and then are retroactively unhappy with their use (or non-use) of it. At that point it's the publisher's decision and it's just called content curation. Rogan got $100M and in exchange he apparently gave up rights. He thought it was a fair deal at the time, maybe he still does. It's just business.
      - seandoe 5y ago
        You're missing my point. Call it anything you like. I'm not saying Spotify doesn't have the right to do whatever is in that contract (which I assume is anything they want) with the content. By the same token, that doesn't mean I have to approve of them doing it. I'm a paying customer. They'd probably like to keep receiving my monthly payment. I think they're spineless. I guess for now I'll just complain a bit to the ether and if they start removing content I actually listen to, I'll drop them. Imagine if they started removing hip-hop from their catalog? All that misogynistic, violent, gangsta shit a lot of us listen to. They won't, because currently it isn't in the cross-hairs of the politically woke (I guess it had it's time in the 90's. I'm glad it wasn't completely censored/banned like many politically woke of the time wanted). But we'll see how things play out in the future. The fact that self-claimed liberals can't at least acknowledge the danger of censoring (or whatever the hell you want to call it) content for political reasons is... disappointing.

deburo 5y ago

I think hearing about the pushback against cancel culture is important just to know it's not as one-sided as it appears in parts of the Twitter sphere. I find it reassuring quite frankly.

littlestymaar 5y ago

> Note that this article spends more time bemoaning the mere deplatforming of the (at best, bimbo level) podcast the Joe Rogan Experience (which hasn't even happened!) Not only he hasn't been censored, but the controversy actually comes from the fact Joe Rogan was promoted by Spotify who've signed a huge deal (we're talking about dozens of million dollar here) with Rogan!

fatbird 5y ago

As you say, plus the fact that this is Quillette, a publication founded in part to give a platform to writers on the topic of race and IQ. Their arguments against any sort of deplatforming are pernicious and self-serving.

seandoe 5y ago

> deplatforming of the (at best, bimbo level) podcast the Joe Rogan Experience (which hasn't even happened!) Spotify Removes 70 Episodes of The Joe Rogan Experience - https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/02/04/spotify-removed-joe-rogan-podcasts-2022/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2022/02/04/spotify-removed-...

Supermancho 5y ago
As I understand it, deplatforming is a larger concept than "make sure everything ever said by someone readily available". Publicly curating the content leaves a trail to obtain that content, if you are interested. You are free to disagree.
- seandoe 5y ago
  Yea, I understand your point and I don't think Joe Rogan has been completely "deplatformed". I'm sure it's still possible to find the books after a book burning, or more, book burning doesn't mute the author so you could find them and reap their content via conversation. My point is that his content is being censored to some degree. In addition, it seems more damaging to only censor some of his content because most people won't even know what they are missing and why. I'm not pulling for Joe Rogan in particular. I used to listen to some of his podcasts when it was on youtube. But, I'm absolutely against this type of corporate censorship by content stewards. Yes, I think every business has and should have the right, but I don't like seeing it and choose to push back wherever I can.
  - awb 5y ago
    > My point is that his content is being censored to some degree. To the degree that's it's no longer called censorship. Just like an author sells the rights of their books to a publisher. The publisher can publish or not, it's their choice. If you don't want to give someone that kind of control, write it into the contract that they give up the rights to anything not published within 1 week of creation for example. But it isn't censorship if you willingly sell the rights to your content and then are retroactively unhappy with their use (or non-use) of it. At that point it's the publisher's decision and it's just called content curation. Rogan got $100M and in exchange he apparently gave up rights. He thought it was a fair deal at the time, maybe he still does. It's just business.
    - seandoe 5y ago
      You're missing my point. Call it anything you like. I'm not saying Spotify doesn't have the right to do whatever is in that contract (which I assume is anything they want) with the content. By the same token, that doesn't mean I have to approve of them doing it. I'm a paying customer. They'd probably like to keep receiving my monthly payment. I think they're spineless. I guess for now I'll just complain a bit to the ether and if they start removing content I actually listen to, I'll drop them. Imagine if they started removing hip-hop from their catalog? All that misogynistic, violent, gangsta shit a lot of us listen to. They won't, because currently it isn't in the cross-hairs of the politically woke (I guess it had it's time in the 90's. I'm glad it wasn't completely censored/banned like many politically woke of the time wanted). But we'll see how things play out in the future. The fact that self-claimed liberals can't at least acknowledge the danger of censoring (or whatever the hell you want to call it) content for political reasons is... disappointing.