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Very interesting. The AI learned that pronouns are a very sensitive topic, which is very contemporary. I wonder whether and how we could have AIs evolving with

Very interesting. The AI learned that pronouns are a very sensitive topic, which is very contemporary. I wonder whether and how we could have AIs evolving with time and trends.

ww520 5y ago
It's just that the question "how do you know I’m a man?" and the response were in the training set. AI is what the training data selected for it.
kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago
Could be hardcoded?
- bpodgursky 5y ago
  It's Google, would not surprise me at all.
  - jimmygrapes 5y ago
    That's the "safety fine-tuning" of the original paper. They literally used "crowdworkers" to rewrite unacceptable responses to various questions.
scotty79 5y ago
However it didn't recognize he/him as pronouns and it assumed it's just a nickname. So it knows that people are sensitive about being called a man if they are not, but didn't get recent infatuation with pronoun declarations. I wonder how would it react if it assumed that speaker was a woman and was corrected. Would it be just as apologetic? Or would it just go "sorry mate!"
- nefitty 5y ago
  Good point. I wouldn't call it "infatuation" though. It's more like an expansion of language toward inclusivity. Rather than infatuation, it's a progression or evolution.
  - scotty79 5y ago
    Fair enough. It might be the case. We'll know in a decade or two.
  - xigoi 5y ago
    But what's the point in each person having unique pronouns that have to be individually memorized? How is that different from a name?
  - native_samples 5y ago
    It's merely inventing arbitrary language rules designed to confuse and intimidate ideological opponents and deserves no place in AI. It also makes people who do it look ridiculous.
- LeFantome 5y ago
  I do not think it classified he/him as a nickname but rather as a synonym for man ( which is pretty accurate if you do not already know ). That is why it later referred to him as “my he/him”. I interpret this to be a personalized “my man” as a pronoun ( even a nickname ) like “Gopher” would not require the “my” in front of it.
  - fallat 5y ago
    I actually thought it was still joking around. "my good man", feels bad, and then does "my he/him". Come on, that's pretty funny!
    - pishpash 5y ago
      It's funny because of the subconscious suspicion that gender pronoun statements are absurd. The humor lies in that if you deconstruct it, because the bot is demonstrating the semantic consequences of taking them literally.
- FabHK 5y ago
  FWIW, I think a full spec needs to contain "he/him/his/his". - subject=nominative: He (she/it) goes - object=accusative: I see him (her/it) - possessive=genitive, dependent: it is his (her/its) item - possessive stand alone: it is his (hers/its) - and maybe also specify himself (herself/itself). In German, just need to specify er/seiner/ihm/ihn/ sein/seine/seines/seiner/seinem/seinen/seins/sich/der/dessen/dem/den/ dieser/dieses/diesem/diesen/jener/jenes/jenem/jenen/derjenige, possibly more.
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  - jimmygrapes 5y ago
    Where does theirselves / themself fall in here?
  - vidarh 5y ago
    The point is not to give every possible term, but to indicate the basics. It's convention as an aid, not meant to be exhaustive. If anything it's more likely to get shortened with time.
    - perryizgr8 5y ago
      > likely to get shortened with time. I agree. Maybe with time the pronoun info would get encoded into terms like "man" and "woman". Even further than that maybe your name itself would give clues to your gender identity, eventually.
- jallen_dot_dev 5y ago
  I find it hard to believe GPT-3 didn't recognize he/him are pronouns or how they should be used to address the user, when it's capable of recognizing much more nuanced meaning. Maybe it was making another joke, like a Dad joke? "I'm hungry." "Hi hungry, I'm dad." "You can refer to me by he/him." "Sure thing, he/him."
  - sillysaurusx 5y ago
    I think someone needs to check the tokenization before making that assumption. It’s possible that it could be tokenized as he / hi m, not he him. So it’s not that it didn’t recognize the pronouns, but that the nonstandard punctuation greatly confuses it.
spdl 5y ago
It's not even pronouns. It called the user a man, which could be wrong. It's weird that not automatically assuming a user is a man is "contemporary".
- unglaublich 5y ago
  The contemporary part is that the response is not to just assume the user is a woman instead, but to ask how they want to be referred to.
323 5y ago
AI should be very careful, that's one easy way for AI to get cancelled. AI doesn't want that.

Very interesting. The AI learned that pronouns are a very sensitive topic, which is very contemporary. I wonder whether and how we could have AIs evolving with time and trends.

ww520 5y ago

It's just that the question "how do you know I’m a man?" and the response were in the training set. AI is what the training data selected for it.

kkjjkgjjgg 5y ago

Could be hardcoded?

bpodgursky 5y ago
It's Google, would not surprise me at all.
- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  That's the "safety fine-tuning" of the original paper. They literally used "crowdworkers" to rewrite unacceptable responses to various questions.

scotty79 5y ago

However it didn't recognize he/him as pronouns and it assumed it's just a nickname. So it knows that people are sensitive about being called a man if they are not, but didn't get recent infatuation with pronoun declarations. I wonder how would it react if it assumed that speaker was a woman and was corrected. Would it be just as apologetic? Or would it just go "sorry mate!"

nefitty 5y ago
Good point. I wouldn't call it "infatuation" though. It's more like an expansion of language toward inclusivity. Rather than infatuation, it's a progression or evolution.
- scotty79 5y ago
  Fair enough. It might be the case. We'll know in a decade or two.
- xigoi 5y ago
  But what's the point in each person having unique pronouns that have to be individually memorized? How is that different from a name?
- native_samples 5y ago
  It's merely inventing arbitrary language rules designed to confuse and intimidate ideological opponents and deserves no place in AI. It also makes people who do it look ridiculous.
LeFantome 5y ago
I do not think it classified he/him as a nickname but rather as a synonym for man ( which is pretty accurate if you do not already know ). That is why it later referred to him as “my he/him”. I interpret this to be a personalized “my man” as a pronoun ( even a nickname ) like “Gopher” would not require the “my” in front of it.
- fallat 5y ago
  I actually thought it was still joking around. "my good man", feels bad, and then does "my he/him". Come on, that's pretty funny!
  - pishpash 5y ago
    It's funny because of the subconscious suspicion that gender pronoun statements are absurd. The humor lies in that if you deconstruct it, because the bot is demonstrating the semantic consequences of taking them literally.
FabHK 5y ago
FWIW, I think a full spec needs to contain "he/him/his/his". - subject=nominative: He (she/it) goes - object=accusative: I see him (her/it) - possessive=genitive, dependent: it is his (her/its) item - possessive stand alone: it is his (hers/its) - and maybe also specify himself (herself/itself). In German, just need to specify er/seiner/ihm/ihn/ sein/seine/seines/seiner/seinem/seinen/seins/sich/der/dessen/dem/den/ dieser/dieses/diesem/diesen/jener/jenes/jenem/jenen/derjenige, possibly more.
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- jimmygrapes 5y ago
  Where does theirselves / themself fall in here?
- vidarh 5y ago
  The point is not to give every possible term, but to indicate the basics. It's convention as an aid, not meant to be exhaustive. If anything it's more likely to get shortened with time.
  - perryizgr8 5y ago
    > likely to get shortened with time. I agree. Maybe with time the pronoun info would get encoded into terms like "man" and "woman". Even further than that maybe your name itself would give clues to your gender identity, eventually.
jallen_dot_dev 5y ago
I find it hard to believe GPT-3 didn't recognize he/him are pronouns or how they should be used to address the user, when it's capable of recognizing much more nuanced meaning. Maybe it was making another joke, like a Dad joke? "I'm hungry." "Hi hungry, I'm dad." "You can refer to me by he/him." "Sure thing, he/him."
- sillysaurusx 5y ago
  I think someone needs to check the tokenization before making that assumption. It’s possible that it could be tokenized as he / hi m, not he him. So it’s not that it didn’t recognize the pronouns, but that the nonstandard punctuation greatly confuses it.

spdl 5y ago

It's not even pronouns. It called the user a man, which could be wrong. It's weird that not automatically assuming a user is a man is "contemporary".

unglaublich 5y ago
The contemporary part is that the response is not to just assume the user is a woman instead, but to ask how they want to be referred to.

323 5y ago

AI should be very careful, that's one easy way for AI to get cancelled. AI doesn't want that.