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The flashbacks to the original were extremely lame. And I didn't love the story. But visually it was great, it's packed with really compelling images. Highly s

by slibhb 5y ago

The flashbacks to the original were extremely lame. And I didn't love the story. But visually it was great, it's packed with really compelling images. Highly superior to Dune which has a boring plot and mostly lacks compelling images. Seriously, where were the guild steersmen? The dragonfly vessels were okay but do you even remember a spaceship from Dune? Stellan Skarsgard was unrecognizable and boring in the villain role. Plus the fight scenes were horrible.

kadoban 5y ago
> Highly superior to Dune which has a boring plot and mostly lacks compelling images. Seriously, where were the guild steersmen? The dragonfly vessels were okay but do you even remember a spaceship from Dune? Stellan Skarsgard was unrecognizable and boring in the villain role. Plus the fight scenes were horrible. What movie did you watch? I am so confused. The _fight scenes_ were horrible? In what way? Even just the first fight scene with the shields was cool and well done. The thopters were just _okay_? They were _brilliantly_ done, had really interesting special effects, etc. The spaceship of note in the film would probably be the guild ship, whatever they're called, the hiliners? Looked nice to me. Dune doesn't really have a ton of spaceships, it's planet-centric which makes sense really. And the plot was boring? I don't even know what to say, that story is very well loved and the movie didn't change too much.
- teddyh 5y ago
  > The copters Ornithopters. > the hiliners? Heighliners.
  - kadoban 5y ago
    Thanks. I fixed copters, just a typo, I've leave the other alone.
- slibhb 5y ago
  > The _fight scenes_ were horrible? In what way? Even just the first fight scene with the shields was cool and well done. The fight scenes are people slapping each other really fast. There's no weight to it. > And the plot was boring? I don't even know what to say, that story is very well loved and the movie didn't change too much. A more significant consideration than what happens is how it is relayed to the audience. The way the story in Dune unfolds is linear and boring. It is chracters in rooms having conversations to fill the audience in before the real plot starts. It's not exciting or interesting and few risks are taken. One of the cool ideas in Dune is that there are no computers so people take a psychedelic drug to pilot spaceships. Maybe this is explained in some boring monologue or text flash but there's no reason it couldn't be shown and it certainly isn't. It doesn't help that Timothy Chalamet and Zendaya are awful. The only notably good performance is Rebecca Ferguson (Jessica).
  - kadoban 5y ago
    > One of the cool ideas in Dune is that there are no computers so people take a psychedelic drug to pilot spaceships. Maybe this is explained in some boring monologue or text flash but there's no reason it couldn't be shown and it certainly isn't. The guild navigators I'd expect will be in the next movie, as the spice and its effect on Paul are explored more. This concept though was well done with the mentat(s) in this one though IMO, they didn't explain it, just showed it. I'd expect they'll do similarly with the navigators when it comes up. > It doesn't help that Timothy Chalamet and Zendaya are awful. Zendaya's character is barely in this one. Maybe you know her from elsewhere. I didn't have any real complaints on Timothy Chalamet's performance myself, but it didn't particularly stand out to me either.
    - slibhb 5y ago
      > The guild navigators I'd expect will be in the next movie, as the spice and its effect on Paul are explored more. Sure but don't you think it would give more weight to the story if we understood viscerally, visually how spice enables space flight? It would be challenging to show but that kind of challenge should excite a talented director, it's an opportunity to do something experimental. > Zendaya's character is barely in this one. Maybe you know her from elsewhere. I've only seen her in trailers and in Dune. I didn't find her credible as a desert-hardened bedouin woman. Whether it's her voice or physical acting, she seemed too much like a teenage girl.
      - kadoban 5y ago
        > Sure but don't you think it would give more weight to the story if we understood viscerally, visually how spice enables space flight? It would be challenging to show but that kind of challenge should excite a talented director, it's an opportunity to do something experimental. At this part in the story? IMO, no. It's enough that they started to show it for mentats and a bit for Paul and etc. The navigator part of spice becomes important for the story once it affects our main character directly and once we need to get into the galactic politics more. It's a big part of what will be the finale for the next movie. I'm fine with it not being spelled out yet. > I've only seen her in trailers and in Dune. I'd say give her more time. Her character is just barely even in this movie, she'll be a huge part in the next. What did she even get, like 5 lines?
mhh__ 5y ago
Denis Villeneuve actually has a fairly distinctive style when it comes to having slightly glowing objects floating very slowly through the frame, so yes I do remember the spaceships. Honestly the first thing I thought when the throat-singing started was why the fuck does anyone watch star wars (Not that the originals are bad, but the universe has no depth). Dune isn't perfect, but it's just so much more intriguing and obviously from a smarter author than it's competitors in the space opera genre.
- philistine 5y ago
  One of the things we watch movies for are the characters. And Star Wars has good characters.
  - mhh__ 5y ago
    Jar-jar Binks?
TranquilMarmot 5y ago
I'm a massive Dune fan. I've read every one of Frank Herbert's books in the series and a few of his son's and honestly... I kind of agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the movie, and it was definitely a faithful adaptation to the book, but it could have been SO MUCH better. The potential for beautiful scenes and captivating stories was there but it never reached the point I thought it could. Maybe it's because I was watching it at home and not at a theater. They could have made the Baron so much more disgusting and villain-like.
- yongjik 5y ago
  This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the movie Baron was much more threatening. We only see a little glimpse of what he's like, but what we see is terrifying, and our imagination feels the gaps. I'm reading the book again recently - I had forgotten that we actually get to see what the Baron is thinking, and when it happens, he looks almost human, like an executive in an evil corporation - like weighing about his potential successors, ranting about the cost of the war, or fretting over how the Sardaukar may see him as incompetent.
  - TranquilMarmot 5y ago
    That's true. Maybe my desire for a "disgusting" Baron comes from watching the David Lynch adaptation one too many times.

by slibhb 5y ago

kadoban 5y ago

> Highly superior to Dune which has a boring plot and mostly lacks compelling images. Seriously, where were the guild steersmen? The dragonfly vessels were okay but do you even remember a spaceship from Dune? Stellan Skarsgard was unrecognizable and boring in the villain role. Plus the fight scenes were horrible. What movie did you watch? I am so confused. The _fight scenes_ were horrible? In what way? Even just the first fight scene with the shields was cool and well done. The thopters were just _okay_? They were _brilliantly_ done, had really interesting special effects, etc. The spaceship of note in the film would probably be the guild ship, whatever they're called, the hiliners? Looked nice to me. Dune doesn't really have a ton of spaceships, it's planet-centric which makes sense really. And the plot was boring? I don't even know what to say, that story is very well loved and the movie didn't change too much.

teddyh 5y ago
> The copters Ornithopters. > the hiliners? Heighliners.
- kadoban 5y ago
  Thanks. I fixed copters, just a typo, I've leave the other alone.
slibhb 5y ago
> The _fight scenes_ were horrible? In what way? Even just the first fight scene with the shields was cool and well done. The fight scenes are people slapping each other really fast. There's no weight to it. > And the plot was boring? I don't even know what to say, that story is very well loved and the movie didn't change too much. A more significant consideration than what happens is how it is relayed to the audience. The way the story in Dune unfolds is linear and boring. It is chracters in rooms having conversations to fill the audience in before the real plot starts. It's not exciting or interesting and few risks are taken. One of the cool ideas in Dune is that there are no computers so people take a psychedelic drug to pilot spaceships. Maybe this is explained in some boring monologue or text flash but there's no reason it couldn't be shown and it certainly isn't. It doesn't help that Timothy Chalamet and Zendaya are awful. The only notably good performance is Rebecca Ferguson (Jessica).
- kadoban 5y ago
  > One of the cool ideas in Dune is that there are no computers so people take a psychedelic drug to pilot spaceships. Maybe this is explained in some boring monologue or text flash but there's no reason it couldn't be shown and it certainly isn't. The guild navigators I'd expect will be in the next movie, as the spice and its effect on Paul are explored more. This concept though was well done with the mentat(s) in this one though IMO, they didn't explain it, just showed it. I'd expect they'll do similarly with the navigators when it comes up. > It doesn't help that Timothy Chalamet and Zendaya are awful. Zendaya's character is barely in this one. Maybe you know her from elsewhere. I didn't have any real complaints on Timothy Chalamet's performance myself, but it didn't particularly stand out to me either.
  - slibhb 5y ago
    > The guild navigators I'd expect will be in the next movie, as the spice and its effect on Paul are explored more. Sure but don't you think it would give more weight to the story if we understood viscerally, visually how spice enables space flight? It would be challenging to show but that kind of challenge should excite a talented director, it's an opportunity to do something experimental. > Zendaya's character is barely in this one. Maybe you know her from elsewhere. I've only seen her in trailers and in Dune. I didn't find her credible as a desert-hardened bedouin woman. Whether it's her voice or physical acting, she seemed too much like a teenage girl.
    - kadoban 5y ago
      > Sure but don't you think it would give more weight to the story if we understood viscerally, visually how spice enables space flight? It would be challenging to show but that kind of challenge should excite a talented director, it's an opportunity to do something experimental. At this part in the story? IMO, no. It's enough that they started to show it for mentats and a bit for Paul and etc. The navigator part of spice becomes important for the story once it affects our main character directly and once we need to get into the galactic politics more. It's a big part of what will be the finale for the next movie. I'm fine with it not being spelled out yet. > I've only seen her in trailers and in Dune. I'd say give her more time. Her character is just barely even in this movie, she'll be a huge part in the next. What did she even get, like 5 lines?

mhh__ 5y ago

Denis Villeneuve actually has a fairly distinctive style when it comes to having slightly glowing objects floating very slowly through the frame, so yes I do remember the spaceships. Honestly the first thing I thought when the throat-singing started was why the fuck does anyone watch star wars (Not that the originals are bad, but the universe has no depth). Dune isn't perfect, but it's just so much more intriguing and obviously from a smarter author than it's competitors in the space opera genre.

philistine 5y ago
One of the things we watch movies for are the characters. And Star Wars has good characters.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  Jar-jar Binks?

TranquilMarmot 5y ago

I'm a massive Dune fan. I've read every one of Frank Herbert's books in the series and a few of his son's and honestly... I kind of agree with you. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the movie, and it was definitely a faithful adaptation to the book, but it could have been SO MUCH better. The potential for beautiful scenes and captivating stories was there but it never reached the point I thought it could. Maybe it's because I was watching it at home and not at a theater. They could have made the Baron so much more disgusting and villain-like.

yongjik 5y ago
This might be an unpopular opinion, but I think the movie Baron was much more threatening. We only see a little glimpse of what he's like, but what we see is terrifying, and our imagination feels the gaps. I'm reading the book again recently - I had forgotten that we actually get to see what the Baron is thinking, and when it happens, he looks almost human, like an executive in an evil corporation - like weighing about his potential successors, ranting about the cost of the war, or fretting over how the Sardaukar may see him as incompetent.
- TranquilMarmot 5y ago
  That's true. Maybe my desire for a "disgusting" Baron comes from watching the David Lynch adaptation one too many times.