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Get off your high horse. This is a long term international effort where irrelevant Western countries in the peripheries (that’s the EU) have nibbled away at en

Get off your high horse. This is a long term international effort where irrelevant Western countries in the peripheries (that’s the EU) have nibbled away at encryption protections to make it easier for the US to do the same. It’s part of a two decades long effort by Western elites to correct their mistakes from the nineties - namely loosening the noose on information and privacy. Australia, France, UK all have draconian laws that would cause outrage (or are outright unconstitutional) in the US. The only data protection the EU has is because fussy Eurocrats are annoyed that the US (and not them) get to syphon all of European’s data. The US is really flawed, but I wouldn't move back to the EU for double my family’s income.

disgruntledphd2 5y ago
> The US is really flawed, but I wouldn't move back to the EU for double my family’s income. Which of the 27(8) countries did you live in, as they are rather different?
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  the problem with being an immigrant, and I have seen this on myself, is that we tend to see the host country through rose colored glasses (best case). Or if we are from a poor / unprivileged background we've been put through hell by trying to survive in the new country. And in the latter case it results in (worst case) those groups becoming the most extreme defenders of whatever that country does. That gets then compounded by having to defend your old customs (from your origin society) even that origin society has meanwhile moved on. The person who just moved to a new place is very unlikely to speak ill of their new hosts or join an activist group to fight against what is a local issue. It's generally a bad idea to poop where you eat but it's unthinkable when you consider yourself still a guest in that country. The whole thing takes generations usually.
  - tagoregrtst 5y ago
    Agreed, its very common. But this doesn’t apply to me. Allow me to explain: I lived in four different countries across three continents seven different times by age 15. Throughout, middle class. Leaving Europe for Canada as a teen was extremely difficult. I still love Europe the place and Europe the people. Finally, I moved to the US from Canada - hardly polar opposites - and was reared on a diet of anti-Americanism that took ten years to shed. I didn't dream of coming to the US, the best grad program that I got accepted to was in the US. I didn’t want to stay, I got married. I came to love the US kicking and screaming.
- tagoregrtst 5y ago
  I speak three European languages at native level (Im ESL. Or is it ETL?) and can get along well enough in a fourth. I have the luxury of choice. And my problem isn't with Europeans, that is Englishmen, Ukrainians, Russians, or normal people in the EU. My problem is with Europes’ (note the plural, this isn't merely about the EU) institutions, the way they think, the mentality of what a person can do. At no point in the past two years was I prohibited under the yoke of arrest of going outside. My kids never stopped going to school except for the first two months. My kids don’t have to do security theater or wear masks. No law can, or does, limit my speech. If I had the misfortune of living in a bad neighborhood the law protects my right to defend myself against an intruder. On the whole, pick any EU country and they all failed on those accounts. Maybe Czechia or Hungary are cool on some of the above.
  - gman83 5y ago
    Many US states have ongoing school indoor mask mandates. Also Czechia and Hungary are the two European countries most at risk of backsliding from democracy into authoritarianism.
    - shitgoose 5y ago
      The rest of EU is already there
    - tagoregrtst 5y ago
      I’ve lived in Cali. I wont make that mistake again. Czechia and Hungary sliding sliding into authoritarianism? Please. That just not serious.
      - CRConrad 5y ago
        Well, no, sure: At least Hungary probably isn't "sliding into" authoritarianism. Any more.
  - CRConrad 5y ago
    >> Which of the 27(8) countries did you live in, as they are rather different? > I speak three European languages at native level Way not to answer the question. Also, BTW, you're probably wrong: Very high proficiency, maybe, but almost nobody speaks more than one language (or at the most, two) at a native level. But, sorry, I digress... To get back to the point: Way not to answer the question.
peoplefromibiza 5y ago
> Australia, France, UK all have draconian laws that would cause outrage (or are outright unconstitutional) in the US at least in those countries you don't have to resign for what you do in your bedroom, consensually, behind closed doors... > The only data protection the EU has is because fussy Eurocrats are annoyed that the US (and not them) get to syphon all of European’s data. [Citation needed] this comes up every single time, but it's false nonetheless. The term "eurocrats" in Europe is used in a negative way only by people who don't understand how EU works, usually from far right. Nowadays the term Eurocrat has come to encompass staff from all EU Institutions and not only staff from the European Commission. Although the term Eurocrat might convey negative connotations for some, specialists of European Union and its institutions Didier Georgagakakis and Jay Rowell use the concept of Eurocracy as a way to describe and analyse EU actors and professionals interactions [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocrat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocrat
- tagoregrtst 5y ago
  “ at least in those countries you don't have to resign for what you do in your bedroom, consensually, behind closed doors...” No, you go to jail instead for offending someone. But you still have a job to pay off your court debts with (the US, thankfully, doesn’t have looser pays courts). As to the rest of your comment, I love it. Any criticism of the EU or Brussels is far right extremism and must be ignored. Its working out great for Trudeau smearing protestors and ignoring them.
  - peoplefromibiza 5y ago
    > No, you go to jail instead for offending someone It's pretty hard to believe it. Can you point me to some example ? Is it what happened to you? Are you sure it was just an offense? In which country did it happen? > Any criticism of the EU or Brussels is far right extremism and must be ignored I was addressing the wording. Far right movements in Europe use the same slogans, they are pretty easy to spot, because they are the same in any European language.
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disgruntledphd2 5y ago

> The US is really flawed, but I wouldn't move back to the EU for double my family’s income. Which of the 27(8) countries did you live in, as they are rather different?

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
the problem with being an immigrant, and I have seen this on myself, is that we tend to see the host country through rose colored glasses (best case). Or if we are from a poor / unprivileged background we've been put through hell by trying to survive in the new country. And in the latter case it results in (worst case) those groups becoming the most extreme defenders of whatever that country does. That gets then compounded by having to defend your old customs (from your origin society) even that origin society has meanwhile moved on. The person who just moved to a new place is very unlikely to speak ill of their new hosts or join an activist group to fight against what is a local issue. It's generally a bad idea to poop where you eat but it's unthinkable when you consider yourself still a guest in that country. The whole thing takes generations usually.
- tagoregrtst 5y ago
  Agreed, its very common. But this doesn’t apply to me. Allow me to explain: I lived in four different countries across three continents seven different times by age 15. Throughout, middle class. Leaving Europe for Canada as a teen was extremely difficult. I still love Europe the place and Europe the people. Finally, I moved to the US from Canada - hardly polar opposites - and was reared on a diet of anti-Americanism that took ten years to shed. I didn't dream of coming to the US, the best grad program that I got accepted to was in the US. I didn’t want to stay, I got married. I came to love the US kicking and screaming.
tagoregrtst 5y ago
I speak three European languages at native level (Im ESL. Or is it ETL?) and can get along well enough in a fourth. I have the luxury of choice. And my problem isn't with Europeans, that is Englishmen, Ukrainians, Russians, or normal people in the EU. My problem is with Europes’ (note the plural, this isn't merely about the EU) institutions, the way they think, the mentality of what a person can do. At no point in the past two years was I prohibited under the yoke of arrest of going outside. My kids never stopped going to school except for the first two months. My kids don’t have to do security theater or wear masks. No law can, or does, limit my speech. If I had the misfortune of living in a bad neighborhood the law protects my right to defend myself against an intruder. On the whole, pick any EU country and they all failed on those accounts. Maybe Czechia or Hungary are cool on some of the above.
- gman83 5y ago
  Many US states have ongoing school indoor mask mandates. Also Czechia and Hungary are the two European countries most at risk of backsliding from democracy into authoritarianism.
  - shitgoose 5y ago
    The rest of EU is already there
  - tagoregrtst 5y ago
    I’ve lived in Cali. I wont make that mistake again. Czechia and Hungary sliding sliding into authoritarianism? Please. That just not serious.
    - CRConrad 5y ago
      Well, no, sure: At least Hungary probably isn't "sliding into" authoritarianism. Any more.
- CRConrad 5y ago
  >> Which of the 27(8) countries did you live in, as they are rather different? > I speak three European languages at native level Way not to answer the question. Also, BTW, you're probably wrong: Very high proficiency, maybe, but almost nobody speaks more than one language (or at the most, two) at a native level. But, sorry, I digress... To get back to the point: Way not to answer the question.

peoplefromibiza 5y ago

> Australia, France, UK all have draconian laws that would cause outrage (or are outright unconstitutional) in the US at least in those countries you don't have to resign for what you do in your bedroom, consensually, behind closed doors... > The only data protection the EU has is because fussy Eurocrats are annoyed that the US (and not them) get to syphon all of European’s data. [Citation needed] this comes up every single time, but it's false nonetheless. The term "eurocrats" in Europe is used in a negative way only by people who don't understand how EU works, usually from far right. Nowadays the term Eurocrat has come to encompass staff from all EU Institutions and not only staff from the European Commission. Although the term Eurocrat might convey negative connotations for some, specialists of European Union and its institutions Didier Georgagakakis and Jay Rowell use the concept of Eurocracy as a way to describe and analyse EU actors and professionals interactions [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocrat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocrat

tagoregrtst 5y ago
“ at least in those countries you don't have to resign for what you do in your bedroom, consensually, behind closed doors...” No, you go to jail instead for offending someone. But you still have a job to pay off your court debts with (the US, thankfully, doesn’t have looser pays courts). As to the rest of your comment, I love it. Any criticism of the EU or Brussels is far right extremism and must be ignored. Its working out great for Trudeau smearing protestors and ignoring them.
- peoplefromibiza 5y ago
  > No, you go to jail instead for offending someone It's pretty hard to believe it. Can you point me to some example ? Is it what happened to you? Are you sure it was just an offense? In which country did it happen? > Any criticism of the EU or Brussels is far right extremism and must be ignored I was addressing the wording. Far right movements in Europe use the same slogans, they are pretty easy to spot, because they are the same in any European language.
  - 5y ago