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Energy transport is difficult but there would be much better locations, especially for islands. This is just mismanagement.

mdp2021 5y ago
> better locations That is an inherent difficulty with wind turbines, because the most efficient places for wind tend to be the places of optimal sound broadcast. Though location wise, one big point would be: "Alongside the motorway? Ok, consistent. // In the middle of paradise? (...Speechless.)" To place wind turbines where busy infrastructure already is would facilitate energy transport.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I thought about offshore installations in this case. But it is still very expensive. Otherwise proximity to users would make sense too.
wrp 5y ago
Having experienced extended exposure to the kind of low-frequency noise emitted by wind farms and its effect on psychological health, I feel it is not at all hyperbole to call it "torture." I'm afraid that even in most urban areas, the low-frequency noise would stand out from typical background noise and have noticeable health effects on the community. There is a growing literature on the health effects of low-frequency noise, and also on (mostly losing) battles of communities against nearby wind farms.
- lm28469 5y ago
  > I'm afraid that even in most urban areas, the low-frequency noise would stand out from typical background noise Especially since most cities get much quieter at night.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I believe it. Frequencies in that regions are known to cause discomfort. In my opinion they shouldn't be build anywhere near areas where people live.
  - mdp2021 5y ago
    > they shouldn't be build anywhere near areas where people live Surely, that societies have a clear idea that noise pollution must be a concern would be duly and civilized - but, that territory impairing infrastructure is placed in the few quiet places remaining, is a special kind of madness in itself. Also considering that urban areas in many territories already are a huge compromise in terms of quiet, so you will want to keep the few unpolluted places remaining as a reserve...
  - BoxOfRain 5y ago
    Certainly not my area of expertise but would it be possible to arrange the turbines in such a manner the phase of the sound waves they're generating cancels out the harmful infrasound?
- csdvrx 5y ago
  > I feel it is not at all hyperbole to call it "torture." Unfortunately, the topic of windmills is getting politized, and complaining against the negative effects is now being ridiculed and tried to antivaxxing and luddism. > > There is a growing literature on the health effects of low-frequency noise, and also on (mostly losing) battles of communities against nearby wind farms. If even Trump couldn't prevent a wind farm near one of his Scottish properties, it's indeed mostly battles being lost: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-just-brought-up-donald-trump-s-obsession-with-windmills/ar-AATHOA https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-just-broug... While nimbism may play a large role, the negative health effects reported by many people like you should not be neglected. And I just don't understand why the damage to the wildlife is almost never mentionned.
  - tdsamardzhiev 5y ago
    Yeah, reading the comments, I was surprised how personally some people seem to take it. >> has to be a lie - they haven't died from lack of sleep C'mon guys, you can't be serious?!
rjsw 5y ago
Where would be better? I think the Aegean Sea is quite deep so it wouldn't be possible to attach wind turbines to the seabed.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  Floating turbines are possible: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_wind_turbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_wind_turbine
  - cinntaile 5y ago
    These are mostly in the prototype phase.
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dogma1138 5y ago
I’m not sure if there are better actually solution. A single wind turbine near a farmhouse brings out some warm ecofuture vibes however right now it seems more likely that what we will get is every hill top and the horizon near ever beach polluted with turbines. Off shore wind farms are a nice idea until they block your entire view of the sea. Wind should be a small scale solution for remote locations. It doesn’t seem to me that any implementation of it on an industrial scale can be achieved without an environmental disaster of a different kind. Small Nuclear Reactors and fusion really can’t come fast enough.

mdp2021 5y ago

> better locations That is an inherent difficulty with wind turbines, because the most efficient places for wind tend to be the places of optimal sound broadcast. Though location wise, one big point would be: "Alongside the motorway? Ok, consistent. // In the middle of paradise? (...Speechless.)" To place wind turbines where busy infrastructure already is would facilitate energy transport.

raxxorrax 5y ago
I thought about offshore installations in this case. But it is still very expensive. Otherwise proximity to users would make sense too.

wrp 5y ago

Having experienced extended exposure to the kind of low-frequency noise emitted by wind farms and its effect on psychological health, I feel it is not at all hyperbole to call it "torture." I'm afraid that even in most urban areas, the low-frequency noise would stand out from typical background noise and have noticeable health effects on the community. There is a growing literature on the health effects of low-frequency noise, and also on (mostly losing) battles of communities against nearby wind farms.

lm28469 5y ago
> I'm afraid that even in most urban areas, the low-frequency noise would stand out from typical background noise Especially since most cities get much quieter at night.
raxxorrax 5y ago
I believe it. Frequencies in that regions are known to cause discomfort. In my opinion they shouldn't be build anywhere near areas where people live.
- mdp2021 5y ago
  > they shouldn't be build anywhere near areas where people live Surely, that societies have a clear idea that noise pollution must be a concern would be duly and civilized - but, that territory impairing infrastructure is placed in the few quiet places remaining, is a special kind of madness in itself. Also considering that urban areas in many territories already are a huge compromise in terms of quiet, so you will want to keep the few unpolluted places remaining as a reserve...
- BoxOfRain 5y ago
  Certainly not my area of expertise but would it be possible to arrange the turbines in such a manner the phase of the sound waves they're generating cancels out the harmful infrasound?
csdvrx 5y ago
> I feel it is not at all hyperbole to call it "torture." Unfortunately, the topic of windmills is getting politized, and complaining against the negative effects is now being ridiculed and tried to antivaxxing and luddism. > > There is a growing literature on the health effects of low-frequency noise, and also on (mostly losing) battles of communities against nearby wind farms. If even Trump couldn't prevent a wind farm near one of his Scottish properties, it's indeed mostly battles being lost: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-just-brought-up-donald-trump-s-obsession-with-windmills/ar-AATHOA https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-biden-just-broug... While nimbism may play a large role, the negative health effects reported by many people like you should not be neglected. And I just don't understand why the damage to the wildlife is almost never mentionned.
- tdsamardzhiev 5y ago
  Yeah, reading the comments, I was surprised how personally some people seem to take it. >> has to be a lie - they haven't died from lack of sleep C'mon guys, you can't be serious?!

rjsw 5y ago

Where would be better? I think the Aegean Sea is quite deep so it wouldn't be possible to attach wind turbines to the seabed.

throw0101a 5y ago
Floating turbines are possible: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_wind_turbine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floating_wind_turbine
- cinntaile 5y ago
  These are mostly in the prototype phase.
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dogma1138 5y ago

I’m not sure if there are better actually solution. A single wind turbine near a farmhouse brings out some warm ecofuture vibes however right now it seems more likely that what we will get is every hill top and the horizon near ever beach polluted with turbines. Off shore wind farms are a nice idea until they block your entire view of the sea. Wind should be a small scale solution for remote locations. It doesn’t seem to me that any implementation of it on an industrial scale can be achieved without an environmental disaster of a different kind. Small Nuclear Reactors and fusion really can’t come fast enough.