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Show HN: 50x50.space a public board to doodle together

39 points by limboy 5y ago

T3RMINATED 5y ago
waynesonfire 5y ago
Would like to buy the filled board as nft.
- zeepzeep 5y ago
  this reminds me of satoshis.place (1 pixel on such a board = 0.00000001 Bitcoin)
  - parksy 5y ago
    Great idea, let's sell pixels as NFTs. But how would they control colour? Can the owner of an NFT add to or alter its metadata in anyway? Bit tongue in cheek really. People are already slamming NFTs as useless scams, the media would have a field day over this lol.
    - markdown 5y ago
      > But how would they control colour? You can't use colors... they've been sold, lol. https://www.printmag.com/design-news/the-color-museum/ https://www.printmag.com/design-news/the-color-museum/
      - can16358p 5y ago
        Had this exact idea for months. Maybe should have acted quicker.
    - can16358p 5y ago
      Actually while not preferred, yes altering metadata is possible by either linking tokenUri to off-chain http server or having the ERC-721 token's smart contract's functions modify state and tokenUri returning some base64-encoded dynamic data based on the on-chain state (which I personally implemented and works pretty great). Though it brings a less-technological yet more philosophical question about NFTs and what they represent being forever the same/frozen, or not, though I don't think it's the discussion for here.
      - parksy 5y ago
        Hm yeah I think it's an interesting concept, perhaps it's not preferred under current NFT definitions to my mind something can be both non-fungible and mutable. I can own a house, but I can renovate the interior, add rooms, paint walls etc - those changes are done _to_ the house, it's still the same house, and I still own it. Off-chain solutions where longevity is concerned don't sit well with me - I don't personally trust oracles to be available for eternity or remain benevolent. Your approach based on a smart contract sounds good as it's on-chain. But would it be preferred to have a dynamic / mutable NFT standard with this capability baked in somehow? Anyway not really my wheelhouse, and as you say probably off topic for now. Just something I find interesting to consider.
        can16358p 5y ago
        The functionality that alters the metadata is actually a requirement for our project. As time passes the token turns into something different. (For clarification: this is clearly defined in our whitepaper, website, Discord server, and most importantly easily verifiable on contract code itself so no shady business here) Strictly speaking, ERC-721 (the official standard for NFTs on Ethereum) doesn't say that whatever is returned from tokenUri function (which defines all the properties, name, image etc. of the particular NFT) can't change. So in simpler terms the contract can change the tokenUri afterwards (of course if there is code in the contract to support that). It boils down to how users/community perceive NFTs, and your house analogy is perfect for what we are doing (in our case something is "happening to the house as time passes" but you get the idea). In the technical sense the standard is agnostic about tokenUri mutability, as long as the token DOES have a tokenUri (which can just be a base64 "data:" URI anyway). It will be interesting to see what's possible, I'm pretty much sure that the "killer app" based on ERC-721's haven't been invented and when this Ponzi-like ridiculously pricing of non-functional NFTs mania is over, we'll start seeing some real solutions.
- orangepanda 5y ago
  There's a dedicated nft button on most full sized keyboards
  - doublerabbit 5y ago
    Is that Alt+F4?
    - pjerem 5y ago
      "ctrl+w = friends" was my nickname on agar.io. Pretty effective.
- alainchabat 5y ago
  if you want to do it with NFT: https://project-memento.com/ https://project-memento.com/
eps 5y ago
Doesn't seem to work in Mobile Safari. Just getting the explainer text in the header, "Recent board" and a ghost emoji at the bottom and the rest is completely blank.
- kanwisher 5y ago
  Didn't work on safari or chrome on osx ;/
- ncr100 5y ago
  HTTP 500 from their API, maybe try again later
- skhr0680 5y ago
  It was working fine before, HN hug of death?
- limboy 5y ago
  should works now
buster 5y ago
Mhh.. down? Looks like it uses some platform called Vercel.. From their homepage, it doesn't sound like it's too obsessed with performance ;) Vercel combines the best developer experience with an obsessive focus on end- user performance.
- AmazingTurtle 5y ago
  Vercel is great. The dev just most likely fucked up his code thats why you're getting 500 on the API.
  - Jaruzel 5y ago
    > The dev just most likely fucked up his code That's a bit harsh. You don't know that (and the dev is reading these comments).
    - marginalia_nu 5y ago
      To be fair, 100% of software problems were created by the person in front of the keyboard. An empty source file has no bugs.
      - the_cramer 5y ago
        True. As long as you don't use any external dependency like APIs, libraries, databases.
- limboy 5y ago
  there's something wrong with upstash service, looking into it. Vercel is good :)
  - dev_ilter 5y ago
    what exactly is the problem you are experiencing?
pvity 5y ago
I tried opening it with desktop Safari, Firefox (both with content blockers) and Chromium (no content blockers), none worked. Is it down at the moment? Also: is there more context to read in the meantime? E.g. an announcement or blog that describes the project?
encryptluks2 5y ago
So this isn't even working for me. Generally in order for me to say I like something and not give some negative feedback it needs to be working.
- 3z 5y ago
  Most likely it's the HN hug of death, where a bunch of users go from here to their site. Usually this happens to sites on the front page with low specs.
  - encryptluks2 5y ago
    Still down for me. Seems like they couldn't keep it working at all or it didn't work when it was submitted.
sockpuppet69 5y ago
culi 5y ago
Can't get it working here, but sounds similar to - /r/place - [milliondollarhomepage](http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/) - [yourworldoftext](https://www.yourworldoftext.com/ https://www.yourworldoftext.com/) - and someone here pointe out [satoshis.place](https://satoshis.place/ https://satoshis.place/)
- limboy 5y ago
  yes, some inspiration come from /r/place and milliondollarhomepage haven't heard last two, seems interesting.
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hughrr 5y ago
Thats going to take me at least half a day to draw a penis on.
- 3z 5y ago
  Getting a lot of /r/place vibes...
  - hughrr 5y ago
    Was not intended like that. Reverse the argument: it’s really hard to vandalise it due to the relatively low attention span of vandals and the throttling.
    - 3z 5y ago
      I still haven't been able to access it, but I'm assuming it wouldn't be too hard to set a bot up and have it draw on certain coordinates.
- limboy 5y ago
  Reset time has reduced to 5 minutes. half a day is not needed
  - hughrr 5y ago
    Challenge accepted!
account42 5y ago
This doesn't seem to be a single 50x50 space but multiple that requests are randomly routed to.
tannerwj 5y ago
I'm getting: Access restricted Site: 50x50.space This site is blocked. Please contact your administrator for further assistance.
- tentacleuno 5y ago
  Sounds like your network is blocking it. Company computers?
high_pathetic 5y ago
I fail to see the point of this. I can paint exactly one square and then wait for 5 minutes while nothing^H^Hbarely anything is happening? I can't doodle anything meaningful without filling at least 5x5 area, and I need to spent at least two hours for that. I think this could be more attractive if done as a turn-based play. Fill a square within, say, 10 sec and then wait until everyone currently online finishes their turn. And so on.

39 points by limboy 5y ago

T3RMINATED 5y ago

waynesonfire 5y ago

Would like to buy the filled board as nft.

zeepzeep 5y ago
this reminds me of satoshis.place (1 pixel on such a board = 0.00000001 Bitcoin)
- parksy 5y ago
  Great idea, let's sell pixels as NFTs. But how would they control colour? Can the owner of an NFT add to or alter its metadata in anyway? Bit tongue in cheek really. People are already slamming NFTs as useless scams, the media would have a field day over this lol.
  - markdown 5y ago
    > But how would they control colour? You can't use colors... they've been sold, lol. https://www.printmag.com/design-news/the-color-museum/ https://www.printmag.com/design-news/the-color-museum/
    - can16358p 5y ago
      Had this exact idea for months. Maybe should have acted quicker.
  - can16358p 5y ago
    Actually while not preferred, yes altering metadata is possible by either linking tokenUri to off-chain http server or having the ERC-721 token's smart contract's functions modify state and tokenUri returning some base64-encoded dynamic data based on the on-chain state (which I personally implemented and works pretty great). Though it brings a less-technological yet more philosophical question about NFTs and what they represent being forever the same/frozen, or not, though I don't think it's the discussion for here.
    - parksy 5y ago
      Hm yeah I think it's an interesting concept, perhaps it's not preferred under current NFT definitions to my mind something can be both non-fungible and mutable. I can own a house, but I can renovate the interior, add rooms, paint walls etc - those changes are done _to_ the house, it's still the same house, and I still own it. Off-chain solutions where longevity is concerned don't sit well with me - I don't personally trust oracles to be available for eternity or remain benevolent. Your approach based on a smart contract sounds good as it's on-chain. But would it be preferred to have a dynamic / mutable NFT standard with this capability baked in somehow? Anyway not really my wheelhouse, and as you say probably off topic for now. Just something I find interesting to consider.
      - can16358p 5y ago
        The functionality that alters the metadata is actually a requirement for our project. As time passes the token turns into something different. (For clarification: this is clearly defined in our whitepaper, website, Discord server, and most importantly easily verifiable on contract code itself so no shady business here) Strictly speaking, ERC-721 (the official standard for NFTs on Ethereum) doesn't say that whatever is returned from tokenUri function (which defines all the properties, name, image etc. of the particular NFT) can't change. So in simpler terms the contract can change the tokenUri afterwards (of course if there is code in the contract to support that). It boils down to how users/community perceive NFTs, and your house analogy is perfect for what we are doing (in our case something is "happening to the house as time passes" but you get the idea). In the technical sense the standard is agnostic about tokenUri mutability, as long as the token DOES have a tokenUri (which can just be a base64 "data:" URI anyway). It will be interesting to see what's possible, I'm pretty much sure that the "killer app" based on ERC-721's haven't been invented and when this Ponzi-like ridiculously pricing of non-functional NFTs mania is over, we'll start seeing some real solutions.
orangepanda 5y ago
There's a dedicated nft button on most full sized keyboards
- doublerabbit 5y ago
  Is that Alt+F4?
  - pjerem 5y ago
    "ctrl+w = friends" was my nickname on agar.io. Pretty effective.
alainchabat 5y ago
if you want to do it with NFT: https://project-memento.com/ https://project-memento.com/

eps 5y ago

Doesn't seem to work in Mobile Safari. Just getting the explainer text in the header, "Recent board" and a ghost emoji at the bottom and the rest is completely blank.

kanwisher 5y ago
Didn't work on safari or chrome on osx ;/
ncr100 5y ago
HTTP 500 from their API, maybe try again later
skhr0680 5y ago
It was working fine before, HN hug of death?
limboy 5y ago
should works now

buster 5y ago

Mhh.. down? Looks like it uses some platform called Vercel.. From their homepage, it doesn't sound like it's too obsessed with performance ;) Vercel combines the best developer experience with an obsessive focus on end- user performance.

AmazingTurtle 5y ago
Vercel is great. The dev just most likely fucked up his code thats why you're getting 500 on the API.
- Jaruzel 5y ago
  > The dev just most likely fucked up his code That's a bit harsh. You don't know that (and the dev is reading these comments).
  - marginalia_nu 5y ago
    To be fair, 100% of software problems were created by the person in front of the keyboard. An empty source file has no bugs.
    - the_cramer 5y ago
      True. As long as you don't use any external dependency like APIs, libraries, databases.
limboy 5y ago
there's something wrong with upstash service, looking into it. Vercel is good :)
- dev_ilter 5y ago
  what exactly is the problem you are experiencing?

pvity 5y ago

I tried opening it with desktop Safari, Firefox (both with content blockers) and Chromium (no content blockers), none worked. Is it down at the moment? Also: is there more context to read in the meantime? E.g. an announcement or blog that describes the project?

encryptluks2 5y ago

So this isn't even working for me. Generally in order for me to say I like something and not give some negative feedback it needs to be working.

3z 5y ago
Most likely it's the HN hug of death, where a bunch of users go from here to their site. Usually this happens to sites on the front page with low specs.
- encryptluks2 5y ago
  Still down for me. Seems like they couldn't keep it working at all or it didn't work when it was submitted.

sockpuppet69 5y ago

culi 5y ago

Can't get it working here, but sounds similar to - /r/place - [milliondollarhomepage](http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/ http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/) - [yourworldoftext](https://www.yourworldoftext.com/ https://www.yourworldoftext.com/) - and someone here pointe out [satoshis.place](https://satoshis.place/ https://satoshis.place/)

limboy 5y ago
yes, some inspiration come from /r/place and milliondollarhomepage haven't heard last two, seems interesting.

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hughrr 5y ago

Thats going to take me at least half a day to draw a penis on.

3z 5y ago
Getting a lot of /r/place vibes...
- hughrr 5y ago
  Was not intended like that. Reverse the argument: it’s really hard to vandalise it due to the relatively low attention span of vandals and the throttling.
  - 3z 5y ago
    I still haven't been able to access it, but I'm assuming it wouldn't be too hard to set a bot up and have it draw on certain coordinates.
limboy 5y ago
Reset time has reduced to 5 minutes. half a day is not needed
- hughrr 5y ago
  Challenge accepted!

account42 5y ago

This doesn't seem to be a single 50x50 space but multiple that requests are randomly routed to.

tannerwj 5y ago

I'm getting: Access restricted Site: 50x50.space This site is blocked. Please contact your administrator for further assistance.

tentacleuno 5y ago
Sounds like your network is blocking it. Company computers?

high_pathetic 5y ago

I fail to see the point of this. I can paint exactly one square and then wait for 5 minutes while nothing^H^Hbarely anything is happening? I can't doodle anything meaningful without filling at least 5x5 area, and I need to spent at least two hours for that. I think this could be more attractive if done as a turn-based play. Fill a square within, say, 10 sec and then wait until everyone currently online finishes their turn. And so on.