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Here's the list of cosponsors, who will presumably vote for it. I don't see the list of committee members who voted for it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th

Here's the list of cosponsors, who will presumably vote for it. I don't see the list of committee members who voted for it. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3538/cosponsors https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/353...

mdorazio 5y ago
Pretty even split down the aisle on this one. Which in this case is a bad thing.
- smt88 5y ago
  I actually see it as hopeful. If this were polarized, it would mean that no senator could risk offending their base by opposing it. They wouldn't budge in the face of popular outrage. Since it's bipartisan, it means neither party's base badly wants it to pass (which we would already suspect from our own personal experiences).
- paxys 5y ago
  Yup, a lot of heavy hitters in there too.
- sillyquiet 5y ago
  I'd say this is actually pretty partisan if you ignore the mostly imaginary lines between the parties and think in terms of establishment vs. non-establishment.
rectang 5y ago
I'm disappointed that Jacky Rosen (D - Nevada) is a co-sponsor. She's a former software developer and should know better. I just watched some of the Senate hearing on Log4J and she seemed reasonably together on security, open source etc. I was feeling optimistic that she could become the Senatorial analogue to Judge Alsup[1]! But if she's on board with EARN IT, scratch that idea. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-google-judge-william-alsup-interview-waymo-uber https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-googl...
- toastercat 5y ago
  I've worked as a software developer for 8 years so far. I have yet to meet a single fellow developer who is privacy-conscious.
  - labster 5y ago
    At my previous employer, among the 40 or so developer staff worldwide, there were only two of us who used Signal: myself (security focused backend dev) and the devops team security expert. Everyone else: just use WhatsApp so we can all communicate in the same place. Caring about privacy can be exhausting.
    - bayindirh 5y ago
      It's very hard for security conscious people to attract other people to more privacy conscious platforms. People love the practicality, and don't want to trade for they can't see or understand. I'd love to use signal, but it'd be a very silent place, and have to have WhatsApp anyway. So, instead of trying to entice others, I just try to win a one small battle at a time, reducing my cross-section step by step, where I can.
    - _wldu 5y ago
      I believe that strong E2E encryption is critical to individual privacy, but I also believe that it doesn't really matter when most every nation state can compromise any phone at any time simply by knowing the phone number and sending a zero click SMS or MMS message to that phone. Until laws are implemented that forbid this and/or security improves to do so, it doesn't matter how good the encryption is if it's running on a fundamentally insecure device.
    - bubblethink 5y ago
      Well, Whatsapp hasn't done anything egregiously bad yet and they got a lot of goodwill/good PR from their E2E implementation vouched by Moxie et al. So what's the big issue with Whatsapp beyond that the client is not open source?

mdorazio 5y ago

Pretty even split down the aisle on this one. Which in this case is a bad thing.

smt88 5y ago
I actually see it as hopeful. If this were polarized, it would mean that no senator could risk offending their base by opposing it. They wouldn't budge in the face of popular outrage. Since it's bipartisan, it means neither party's base badly wants it to pass (which we would already suspect from our own personal experiences).
paxys 5y ago
Yup, a lot of heavy hitters in there too.
sillyquiet 5y ago
I'd say this is actually pretty partisan if you ignore the mostly imaginary lines between the parties and think in terms of establishment vs. non-establishment.

rectang 5y ago

I'm disappointed that Jacky Rosen (D - Nevada) is a co-sponsor. She's a former software developer and should know better. I just watched some of the Senate hearing on Log4J and she seemed reasonably together on security, open source etc. I was feeling optimistic that she could become the Senatorial analogue to Judge Alsup[1]! But if she's on board with EARN IT, scratch that idea. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-google-judge-william-alsup-interview-waymo-uber https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/19/16503076/oracle-vs-googl...

toastercat 5y ago
I've worked as a software developer for 8 years so far. I have yet to meet a single fellow developer who is privacy-conscious.
- labster 5y ago
  At my previous employer, among the 40 or so developer staff worldwide, there were only two of us who used Signal: myself (security focused backend dev) and the devops team security expert. Everyone else: just use WhatsApp so we can all communicate in the same place. Caring about privacy can be exhausting.
  - bayindirh 5y ago
    It's very hard for security conscious people to attract other people to more privacy conscious platforms. People love the practicality, and don't want to trade for they can't see or understand. I'd love to use signal, but it'd be a very silent place, and have to have WhatsApp anyway. So, instead of trying to entice others, I just try to win a one small battle at a time, reducing my cross-section step by step, where I can.
  - _wldu 5y ago
    I believe that strong E2E encryption is critical to individual privacy, but I also believe that it doesn't really matter when most every nation state can compromise any phone at any time simply by knowing the phone number and sending a zero click SMS or MMS message to that phone. Until laws are implemented that forbid this and/or security improves to do so, it doesn't matter how good the encryption is if it's running on a fundamentally insecure device.
  - bubblethink 5y ago
    Well, Whatsapp hasn't done anything egregiously bad yet and they got a lot of goodwill/good PR from their E2E implementation vouched by Moxie et al. So what's the big issue with Whatsapp beyond that the client is not open source?