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> Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world And we have some of the lowest death rates in the world. Should we just con

> Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world And we have some of the lowest death rates in the world. Should we just condemn the vulnerable people to death because freedom is more important? Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? Sure for a few months, I couldn't go to the theaters or the gym but those are provincial mandates. If you want to protest those, go to Toronto not Ottawa. Truckers losing jobs? You know there are domestic routes for the 10% unvaccinated drivers. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ceo-of-canadas-largest-trucking-company-says-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ceo-of-cana... If you want to talk about harsh/ridiculous covid measures, go look at the stunts they do China. Spewing hyperbole doesn't help. > bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power Why should he negotiate with people whose demands include the removal of a democratically elected government (from a few months ago I might add)? You can't shut down cities and blockade roads just because the party representing your interests lost but I guess we haven't learned from Jan 6. If the federal mandate (i.e. getting tested after the crossing border) is unconstitutional, the supreme court is down the road. But let's suppose this mandate is dropped, how can these unvaccinated truckers enter Canada when they need to be vaccinated to enter the US first?

ehrlkh4 5y ago
version_five 5y ago
This is a discussion about funding being cut off, which was sidetracked by the upstream comment suggesting that the protest is backed by American interests. The talking points you mention aren't really relevant here.
- trinovantes 5y ago
  Doesn't seem too irrelevant. GP talks about this being an American right-wing funded proxy war and should be defunded. You claim that it's actually a legitimate protest and then I refuted your claim that the protests are in fact illegitimate and should be defunded as well.
  - raxxorrax 5y ago
    I think it is actually the Russians.
alexandre_m 5y ago
> Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? Canada has the strictest and most absurd covid policies regarding air traveling in the whole G20. Everyone else has relaxed the measures in 2022, but us. You must take and provide a negative PCR test at your arrival in Canada, even if you are double/triple vaccinated (with proof from vaccine passport). Other results than PCR are invalid and it must be less than 72 hours. You must also register this information in ArriveCAN system (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/arrivecan.html https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/cor...) 72 hours prior to arrival or otherwise prone to penalty up to $75k or 14 days quarantine. On top of that, you can be randomly selected for an additional PCR test at your arrival, which you must then quarantine yourself and wait for the results, which in some cases have been reported to take up to 6-10 days. Sources: - https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/travel-rules-canada-1.6342966 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/travel-rules-canada-1.63429... - https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/arrivecan-app-troubles-causing-consternation-at-border-1.5696143 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/arrivecan-app-troubles-causing-con...
armagon 5y ago
> > Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world > And we have some of the lowest death rates in the world. Should we just condemn the vulnerable people to death because freedom is more important? Should we continue to allow children to die from suicide in favour of the mandates? (ex. https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/milas-story https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/milas-story ) I think you'll find that most people understand there is a balance to be maintained; nobody wants to see kids die, either because of the virus, or because of the response to it. > Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? You mentioned the chief one yourself -- people are threatened with losing their livelihood if they don't comply; the ability to work are travel are guaranteed in the charter of rights and freedoms (and the only surviving signatory of that document is suing the government). Many people have been coerced into receiving the vaccines who did not want them. The measures are not proportionate with the severity of the disease. Everyone was willing to do two weeks to break the curve, but no one signed up for two years of it. There's no question that China has been insane with their response to Covid. > > bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power > Why should he negotiate with people whose demands include the removal of a democratically elected government (from a few months ago I might add)? You can't shut down cities and blockade roads just because the party representing your interests lost but I guess we haven't learned from Jan 6. Mr. Trudeau is the prime minister of the entire country, not just the people who voted Liberal. It is his duty to consider what the people have to say. A competent politician would've address people's concerns before they resorted to civil disobedience. Mr. Trudeau says everything is on the table to solve this problem -- everything, that is, except listening to the electorate. The truckers are not interested in politics. They're not all represented by one party. Indeed, they have the most support from the farthest right and farthest left parties (ie. PPC and Green parties), neither of which have any power. How many people need to support a position for it to be worth hearing? Do we not make efforts to protect people with extreme minority positions? > If the federal mandate (i.e. getting tested after the crossing border) is unconstitutional, the supreme court is down the road. But let's suppose this mandate is dropped, how can these unvaccinated truckers enter Canada when they need to be vaccinated to enter the US first? There are a number of lawsuits in progress from months ago (ex. https://www.mounties4freedom.com https://www.mounties4freedom.com). It is surprising how long they take to be heard. It is true that some of the mandates come from the provinces, and some from the USA. The prime minister can address the mandates he has control over and that would help significantly towards defusing the situation.

ehrlkh4 5y ago

version_five 5y ago

This is a discussion about funding being cut off, which was sidetracked by the upstream comment suggesting that the protest is backed by American interests. The talking points you mention aren't really relevant here.

trinovantes 5y ago
Doesn't seem too irrelevant. GP talks about this being an American right-wing funded proxy war and should be defunded. You claim that it's actually a legitimate protest and then I refuted your claim that the protests are in fact illegitimate and should be defunded as well.
- raxxorrax 5y ago
  I think it is actually the Russians.

alexandre_m 5y ago

> Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? Canada has the strictest and most absurd covid policies regarding air traveling in the whole G20. Everyone else has relaxed the measures in 2022, but us. You must take and provide a negative PCR test at your arrival in Canada, even if you are double/triple vaccinated (with proof from vaccine passport). Other results than PCR are invalid and it must be less than 72 hours. You must also register this information in ArriveCAN system (https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/arrivecan.html https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/cor...) 72 hours prior to arrival or otherwise prone to penalty up to $75k or 14 days quarantine. On top of that, you can be randomly selected for an additional PCR test at your arrival, which you must then quarantine yourself and wait for the results, which in some cases have been reported to take up to 6-10 days. Sources: - https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/travel-rules-canada-1.6342966 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/travel-rules-canada-1.63429... - https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/arrivecan-app-troubles-causing-consternation-at-border-1.5696143 https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/arrivecan-app-troubles-causing-con...

armagon 5y ago

> > Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world > And we have some of the lowest death rates in the world. Should we just condemn the vulnerable people to death because freedom is more important? Should we continue to allow children to die from suicide in favour of the mandates? (ex. https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/milas-story https://naturalselections.substack.com/p/milas-story ) I think you'll find that most people understand there is a balance to be maintained; nobody wants to see kids die, either because of the virus, or because of the response to it. > Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? You mentioned the chief one yourself -- people are threatened with losing their livelihood if they don't comply; the ability to work are travel are guaranteed in the charter of rights and freedoms (and the only surviving signatory of that document is suing the government). Many people have been coerced into receiving the vaccines who did not want them. The measures are not proportionate with the severity of the disease. Everyone was willing to do two weeks to break the curve, but no one signed up for two years of it. There's no question that China has been insane with their response to Covid. > > bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power > Why should he negotiate with people whose demands include the removal of a democratically elected government (from a few months ago I might add)? You can't shut down cities and blockade roads just because the party representing your interests lost but I guess we haven't learned from Jan 6. Mr. Trudeau is the prime minister of the entire country, not just the people who voted Liberal. It is his duty to consider what the people have to say. A competent politician would've address people's concerns before they resorted to civil disobedience. Mr. Trudeau says everything is on the table to solve this problem -- everything, that is, except listening to the electorate. The truckers are not interested in politics. They're not all represented by one party. Indeed, they have the most support from the farthest right and farthest left parties (ie. PPC and Green parties), neither of which have any power. How many people need to support a position for it to be worth hearing? Do we not make efforts to protect people with extreme minority positions? > If the federal mandate (i.e. getting tested after the crossing border) is unconstitutional, the supreme court is down the road. But let's suppose this mandate is dropped, how can these unvaccinated truckers enter Canada when they need to be vaccinated to enter the US first? There are a number of lawsuits in progress from months ago (ex. https://www.mounties4freedom.com https://www.mounties4freedom.com). It is surprising how long they take to be heard. It is true that some of the mandates come from the provinces, and some from the USA. The prime minister can address the mandates he has control over and that would help significantly towards defusing the situation.