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These campaigns are being funded mostly by American dollars. These protests are now a proxy war waged by American anti-vaxxers. Automotive plants are shutting d

These campaigns are being funded mostly by American dollars. These protests are now a proxy war waged by American anti-vaxxers. Automotive plants are shutting down productions, residents are fed up. These protestors had very little public support to begin with, but blocking major US-Canada land bridge is completely unacceptable. I couldnt give two shits if these people are made 'whole'

version_five 5y ago
As a Canadian, this is an offensive comment that appears to assume we don't have any concerns of our own. Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world, and a bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power. Canadians are fed up and are protesting. We are definitely divided, like the US, and work-from-home elites (government is a massive employer, especially in Ottawa where the protests are happening) want to keep their heads in the sand and give away their freedoms in exchange for not having to go to work. Real people don't have that choice, and they are pushing back. Maybe this is aligned with some US interests, I dont know or care, but it's ignorant beyond comprehension to pretend that Canadians don't have an issue with the authoritarian policies of our government and it must be some "american anti-vaxxers" that are driving our rejection of government policy. Are they also responsible for the global rejection of covid hysteria?
- earleybird 5y ago
  I still remember when "that bimbo's" father said "just watch me"[0]. The context of that was kidnapping & murder. I could respect Pierre for his rational and intelligent debating skills even if I disagreed with his politics. It seems our current prime minister can't distinguish between protest and terrorism. Must be quite a disappointment to the old man. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis see Oct 13 in the Timeline section
  - version_five 5y ago
    I've seen some good media interviews with Pierre (I'm thinking of one of the flq related ones where the CBC was giving him a hard time and he argues circles around them). He was obviously intellectual and whether you agreed with him or not he thought about what he was doing. It wasn't genetic apparently. I think he would be embarrassed to see the shallow intellectual position his son has on anything.
- lowlevel 5y ago
  Yeah, imagine what it's like when your friends and family make comments like this or wish death on you for wanting to have the freedom to choose if taking something is right for you or not. For the record, I'm vaccinated and donated in Canadian dollars.
- trinovantes 5y ago
  > Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world And we have some of the lowest death rates in the world. Should we just condemn the vulnerable people to death because freedom is more important? Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? Sure for a few months, I couldn't go to the theaters or the gym but those are provincial mandates. If you want to protest those, go to Toronto not Ottawa. Truckers losing jobs? You know there are domestic routes for the 10% unvaccinated drivers. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ceo-of-canadas-largest-trucking-company-says-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ceo-of-cana... If you want to talk about harsh/ridiculous covid measures, go look at the stunts they do China. Spewing hyperbole doesn't help. > bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power Why should he negotiate with people whose demands include the removal of a democratically elected government (from a few months ago I might add)? You can't shut down cities and blockade roads just because the party representing your interests lost but I guess we haven't learned from Jan 6. If the federal mandate (i.e. getting tested after the crossing border) is unconstitutional, the supreme court is down the road. But let's suppose this mandate is dropped, how can these unvaccinated truckers enter Canada when they need to be vaccinated to enter the US first?
  - ehrlkh4 5y ago
  - version_five 5y ago
    This is a discussion about funding being cut off, which was sidetracked by the upstream comment suggesting that the protest is backed by American interests. The talking points you mention aren't really relevant here.
    - trinovantes 5y ago
      Doesn't seem too irrelevant. GP talks about this being an American right-wing funded proxy war and should be defunded. You claim that it's actually a legitimate protest and then I refuted your claim that the protests are in fact illegitimate and should be defunded as well.
dukeofdoom 5y ago
You're not going to force people to take endless boosters and discriminate against them if they don't. At least not without violence. Which if you use, you will lose even more people. The resistance has just begun. Extortion works both ways it turns out.
blockwriter 5y ago
Civil disobedience and bridges have a long shared history.
refurb 5y ago
This is blatant disinformation. There is broad support in Canada for these protestors. The latest polls provide hard data: https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-february-8-2022/ https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-f... 32% support (1 out of 3 Canadians) is not "very little public support".
- trinovantes 5y ago
  Only 17% actually strongly support Also this survey is flawed: > This web survey was conducted from February 4 to February 6, 2022, with 1,546 Canadians and 1,005 Americans, 18 years of age or older, randomly recruited from LEO’s online panel. Why are the opinions of Americans used to represent Canadian support? How much would the support change after they know of the actions taken after Feb 6 like the border and airport blockades?
  - synthos 5y ago
    Or the convoy protestors flooding 911 line in Ottawa with fake calls. Or the convoy protestors honking _all_ night the first week of the protest. Imagine a resident with a newborn or baby downtown. Believe it or not, I actually support people's right to choose, with certain conditions/exceptions. However, their actions are out of line and out of hand now.
    - refurb 5y ago
      “ The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows. To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.”
      - synthos 5y ago
        Flooding 911 is not "making someone uncomfortable" it's endangering the public and interfering with law enforcement. Blocking an international bridge and disrupting the economy, is that just "making someone uncomfortable"?
zgrljk3 5y ago
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version_five 5y ago

As a Canadian, this is an offensive comment that appears to assume we don't have any concerns of our own. Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world, and a bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power. Canadians are fed up and are protesting. We are definitely divided, like the US, and work-from-home elites (government is a massive employer, especially in Ottawa where the protests are happening) want to keep their heads in the sand and give away their freedoms in exchange for not having to go to work. Real people don't have that choice, and they are pushing back. Maybe this is aligned with some US interests, I dont know or care, but it's ignorant beyond comprehension to pretend that Canadians don't have an issue with the authoritarian policies of our government and it must be some "american anti-vaxxers" that are driving our rejection of government policy. Are they also responsible for the global rejection of covid hysteria?

earleybird 5y ago
I still remember when "that bimbo's" father said "just watch me"[0]. The context of that was kidnapping & murder. I could respect Pierre for his rational and intelligent debating skills even if I disagreed with his politics. It seems our current prime minister can't distinguish between protest and terrorism. Must be quite a disappointment to the old man. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis see Oct 13 in the Timeline section
- version_five 5y ago
  I've seen some good media interviews with Pierre (I'm thinking of one of the flq related ones where the CBC was giving him a hard time and he argues circles around them). He was obviously intellectual and whether you agreed with him or not he thought about what he was doing. It wasn't genetic apparently. I think he would be embarrassed to see the shallow intellectual position his son has on anything.
lowlevel 5y ago
Yeah, imagine what it's like when your friends and family make comments like this or wish death on you for wanting to have the freedom to choose if taking something is right for you or not. For the record, I'm vaccinated and donated in Canadian dollars.
trinovantes 5y ago
> Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world And we have some of the lowest death rates in the world. Should we just condemn the vulnerable people to death because freedom is more important? Can you give examples of these "ridiculous" covid measures? Sure for a few months, I couldn't go to the theaters or the gym but those are provincial mandates. If you want to protest those, go to Toronto not Ottawa. Truckers losing jobs? You know there are domestic routes for the 10% unvaccinated drivers. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ceo-of-canadas-largest-trucking-company-says-covid-19-vaccine-mandate/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-ceo-of-cana... If you want to talk about harsh/ridiculous covid measures, go look at the stunts they do China. Spewing hyperbole doesn't help. > bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power Why should he negotiate with people whose demands include the removal of a democratically elected government (from a few months ago I might add)? You can't shut down cities and blockade roads just because the party representing your interests lost but I guess we haven't learned from Jan 6. If the federal mandate (i.e. getting tested after the crossing border) is unconstitutional, the supreme court is down the road. But let's suppose this mandate is dropped, how can these unvaccinated truckers enter Canada when they need to be vaccinated to enter the US first?
- ehrlkh4 5y ago
- version_five 5y ago
  This is a discussion about funding being cut off, which was sidetracked by the upstream comment suggesting that the protest is backed by American interests. The talking points you mention aren't really relevant here.
  - trinovantes 5y ago
    Doesn't seem too irrelevant. GP talks about this being an American right-wing funded proxy war and should be defunded. You claim that it's actually a legitimate protest and then I refuted your claim that the protests are in fact illegitimate and should be defunded as well.

dukeofdoom 5y ago

You're not going to force people to take endless boosters and discriminate against them if they don't. At least not without violence. Which if you use, you will lose even more people. The resistance has just begun. Extortion works both ways it turns out.

blockwriter 5y ago

Civil disobedience and bridges have a long shared history.

refurb 5y ago

This is blatant disinformation. There is broad support in Canada for these protestors. The latest polls provide hard data: https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-february-8-2022/ https://leger360.com/surveys/legers-north-american-tracker-f... 32% support (1 out of 3 Canadians) is not "very little public support".

trinovantes 5y ago
Only 17% actually strongly support Also this survey is flawed: > This web survey was conducted from February 4 to February 6, 2022, with 1,546 Canadians and 1,005 Americans, 18 years of age or older, randomly recruited from LEO’s online panel. Why are the opinions of Americans used to represent Canadian support? How much would the support change after they know of the actions taken after Feb 6 like the border and airport blockades?
- synthos 5y ago
  Or the convoy protestors flooding 911 line in Ottawa with fake calls. Or the convoy protestors honking _all_ night the first week of the protest. Imagine a resident with a newborn or baby downtown. Believe it or not, I actually support people's right to choose, with certain conditions/exceptions. However, their actions are out of line and out of hand now.
  - refurb 5y ago
    “ The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/ the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes. Popular support often starts small & grows. To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable... that’s the point.”
    - synthos 5y ago
      Flooding 911 is not "making someone uncomfortable" it's endangering the public and interfering with law enforcement. Blocking an international bridge and disrupting the economy, is that just "making someone uncomfortable"?

zgrljk3 5y ago

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