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Ontario court freezes access to donations for truckers' protest from GiveSendGo

20 points by dane-pgp 5y ago

dane-pgp 5y ago
Apparently GiveSendGo tweeted: > Know this! Canada has absolutely ZERO jurisdiction over how we manage our funds here at GiveSendGo. All funds for EVERY campaign on GiveSendGo flow directly to the recipients of those campaigns, not least of which is The Freedom Convoy campaign. but it seems the Superior Court of Justice disagrees with that legal theory.
- dukeofdoom 5y ago
  Canadians courts have ignored the government breaking law, and ignoring the Charter of Rights and Freedoms the last two years. Legal theories are meaningless paper. These Judges only stand for their pay cheques it seems.
version_five 5y ago
Hopefully the big sums involved at least give confidence to the people involved in this civil disobedience that there is support for making them whole when it's over. It's been great to see this evolve from something the media pretended wasn't happening into an event dominating global headlines. It's almost a once in a lifetime opportunity to see peoples political actions make a difference.
- synthos 5y ago
  These campaigns are being funded mostly by American dollars. These protests are now a proxy war waged by American anti-vaxxers. Automotive plants are shutting down productions, residents are fed up. These protestors had very little public support to begin with, but blocking major US-Canada land bridge is completely unacceptable. I couldnt give two shits if these people are made 'whole'
  - version_five 5y ago
    As a Canadian, this is an offensive comment that appears to assume we don't have any concerns of our own. Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world, and a bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power. Canadians are fed up and are protesting. We are definitely divided, like the US, and work-from-home elites (government is a massive employer, especially in Ottawa where the protests are happening) want to keep their heads in the sand and give away their freedoms in exchange for not having to go to work. Real people don't have that choice, and they are pushing back. Maybe this is aligned with some US interests, I dont know or care, but it's ignorant beyond comprehension to pretend that Canadians don't have an issue with the authoritarian policies of our government and it must be some "american anti-vaxxers" that are driving our rejection of government policy. Are they also responsible for the global rejection of covid hysteria?
    - earleybird 5y ago
      I still remember when "that bimbo's" father said "just watch me"[0]. The context of that was kidnapping & murder. I could respect Pierre for his rational and intelligent debating skills even if I disagreed with his politics. It seems our current prime minister can't distinguish between protest and terrorism. Must be quite a disappointment to the old man. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis see Oct 13 in the Timeline section
      - version_five 5y ago
        I've seen some good media interviews with Pierre (I'm thinking of one of the flq related ones where the CBC was giving him a hard time and he argues circles around them). He was obviously intellectual and whether you agreed with him or not he thought about what he was doing. It wasn't genetic apparently. I think he would be embarrassed to see the shallow intellectual position his son has on anything.
    - lowlevel 5y ago
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  > a once in a lifetime opportunity Presumably the lesson that governments will learn from this is not to introduce rules which apply only to a group that has access to large vehicles. If the rule only applied to hospitality workers, for example, society might have been able to ignore their objections. Perhaps some countries seeing this will now pass laws requiring that large commercial vehicles only be allowed to travel on routes pre-registered with the government, and automatically enforced using the sort of GPS tracking systems that are becoming standard in cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall
throwawaysea 5y ago
ehrlkh4 5y ago
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daly 5y ago
I have no opinion about the politics of this protest. However, it seems to me to be a tactical mistake. In the city it is very difficult, if not impossible, to stop truckers from getting fuel, food, and bathrooms. They can create a public problem by blowing horns and blocking business. On a bridge the police can easily keep anyone from supplying any of these items. It is also likely to violate traffic laws leading to arrests, fines (possibly per day fines), higher insurance premiums, and loss of CDL due to the violations. Further, due to the linear nature it makes it easier to divert the trucks one at a time and impound them until fines are paid. You only need two tow trucks to clear the blockade. Any truck that appears to threaten violent action is easily stopped by putting a hole in the radiator. It seems a tactical mistake to "line up" in a protest.

20 points by dane-pgp 5y ago

Apparently GiveSendGo tweeted: > Know this! Canada has absolutely ZERO jurisdiction over how we manage our funds here at GiveSendGo. All funds for EVERY campaign on GiveSendGo flow directly to the recipients of those campaigns, not least of which is The Freedom Convoy campaign. but it seems the Superior Court of Justice disagrees with that legal theory.

dukeofdoom 5y ago
Canadians courts have ignored the government breaking law, and ignoring the Charter of Rights and Freedoms the last two years. Legal theories are meaningless paper. These Judges only stand for their pay cheques it seems.

version_five 5y ago

Hopefully the big sums involved at least give confidence to the people involved in this civil disobedience that there is support for making them whole when it's over. It's been great to see this evolve from something the media pretended wasn't happening into an event dominating global headlines. It's almost a once in a lifetime opportunity to see peoples political actions make a difference.

synthos 5y ago
These campaigns are being funded mostly by American dollars. These protests are now a proxy war waged by American anti-vaxxers. Automotive plants are shutting down productions, residents are fed up. These protestors had very little public support to begin with, but blocking major US-Canada land bridge is completely unacceptable. I couldnt give two shits if these people are made 'whole'
- version_five 5y ago
  As a Canadian, this is an offensive comment that appears to assume we don't have any concerns of our own. Canada has some of the harshest (and most ridiculous) covid measures in the world, and a bimbo prime minister that has no interest in civil discourse about what measures the federal government should be able to impose on people and is only interested in securing his own power. Canadians are fed up and are protesting. We are definitely divided, like the US, and work-from-home elites (government is a massive employer, especially in Ottawa where the protests are happening) want to keep their heads in the sand and give away their freedoms in exchange for not having to go to work. Real people don't have that choice, and they are pushing back. Maybe this is aligned with some US interests, I dont know or care, but it's ignorant beyond comprehension to pretend that Canadians don't have an issue with the authoritarian policies of our government and it must be some "american anti-vaxxers" that are driving our rejection of government policy. Are they also responsible for the global rejection of covid hysteria?
  - earleybird 5y ago
    I still remember when "that bimbo's" father said "just watch me"[0]. The context of that was kidnapping & murder. I could respect Pierre for his rational and intelligent debating skills even if I disagreed with his politics. It seems our current prime minister can't distinguish between protest and terrorism. Must be quite a disappointment to the old man. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis see Oct 13 in the Timeline section
    - version_five 5y ago
      I've seen some good media interviews with Pierre (I'm thinking of one of the flq related ones where the CBC was giving him a hard time and he argues circles around them). He was obviously intellectual and whether you agreed with him or not he thought about what he was doing. It wasn't genetic apparently. I think he would be embarrassed to see the shallow intellectual position his son has on anything.
  - lowlevel 5y ago
dane-pgp 5y ago
> a once in a lifetime opportunity Presumably the lesson that governments will learn from this is not to introduce rules which apply only to a group that has access to large vehicles. If the rule only applied to hospitality workers, for example, society might have been able to ignore their objections. Perhaps some countries seeing this will now pass laws requiring that large commercial vehicles only be allowed to travel on routes pre-registered with the government, and automatically enforced using the sort of GPS tracking systems that are becoming standard in cars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECall

throwawaysea 5y ago

ehrlkh4 5y ago

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daly 5y ago

I have no opinion about the politics of this protest. However, it seems to me to be a tactical mistake. In the city it is very difficult, if not impossible, to stop truckers from getting fuel, food, and bathrooms. They can create a public problem by blowing horns and blocking business. On a bridge the police can easily keep anyone from supplying any of these items. It is also likely to violate traffic laws leading to arrests, fines (possibly per day fines), higher insurance premiums, and loss of CDL due to the violations. Further, due to the linear nature it makes it easier to divert the trucks one at a time and impound them until fines are paid. You only need two tow trucks to clear the blockade. Any truck that appears to threaten violent action is easily stopped by putting a hole in the radiator. It seems a tactical mistake to "line up" in a protest.