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In this article, I don't see evidence for "environmentalists" being the ones block wind-power, sounds more like argument between levels of the French state [1].

In this article, I don't see evidence for "environmentalists" being the ones block wind-power, sounds more like argument between levels of the French state [1]. But just as much, the mantle of environmentalist can be taken by anyone, notably just nimbys. There's not a copyright on the term. But it winds-up even worse when others point to these idiot uses of the term environmentalist and then try to push actually environmentally destructive projects. https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/french-wind-energy-in-limbo-for-more-than-a-year/ https://www.euractiv.com/section/energy/news/french-wind-ene...

jibe 5y ago
The Green parties of Europe, which are the political face of the environmental movement, all oppose nuclear power. Perhaps most strongly in Germany, but The Greens in France oppose it as well.
- Brakenshire 5y ago
  They don't oppose wind power, which is the complaint above.
- jsnell 5y ago
  The Finnish Green Party no longer opposes nuclear power as of last year.
  - inter_netuser 5y ago
    How did that transition happen?
    - jsnell 5y ago
      It's been a gradual process over the last two decades. The cynical view would be that during that time they left the government twice to protest the government approving new nuclear power projects, and paid a heavy political price for that. They can't afford to do it a third time, and given Finland's position (can't rely on solar or wind during winter, can't build more hydro, can't depend on imports during the production troughs) it is highly likely that more nuclear will be approved at some point. The non-cynical view is that the world has actually changed over that time. Reducing CO2 emissions is more urgent than ever, and there's no longer time to hope that we can instead reduce energy usage which used to be their preferred solution.
      - inter_netuser 5y ago
        What makes you say more urgent than ever? We’ve been promised apocalypse by now several decades ago, and literally nothing changed. CO2 is just a misdirection away from actually dangerous things such is persistent chemical pollutants we dump into the ocean by millions of tons that cause widespread hormonal disruption or outright toxicity. that is happening today, not at some unspecified point in the future. So weird nobody seems to be concerned about that.
parineum 5y ago
> the mantle of environmentalist can be taken by anyone, notably just nimbys The mantle of NIMBY can be given to anyone, even environmentalists. This seems very "no true scottsman" adjacent.

jibe 5y ago

The Green parties of Europe, which are the political face of the environmental movement, all oppose nuclear power. Perhaps most strongly in Germany, but The Greens in France oppose it as well.

Brakenshire 5y ago
They don't oppose wind power, which is the complaint above.
jsnell 5y ago
The Finnish Green Party no longer opposes nuclear power as of last year.
- inter_netuser 5y ago
  How did that transition happen?
  - jsnell 5y ago
    It's been a gradual process over the last two decades. The cynical view would be that during that time they left the government twice to protest the government approving new nuclear power projects, and paid a heavy political price for that. They can't afford to do it a third time, and given Finland's position (can't rely on solar or wind during winter, can't build more hydro, can't depend on imports during the production troughs) it is highly likely that more nuclear will be approved at some point. The non-cynical view is that the world has actually changed over that time. Reducing CO2 emissions is more urgent than ever, and there's no longer time to hope that we can instead reduce energy usage which used to be their preferred solution.
    - inter_netuser 5y ago
      What makes you say more urgent than ever? We’ve been promised apocalypse by now several decades ago, and literally nothing changed. CO2 is just a misdirection away from actually dangerous things such is persistent chemical pollutants we dump into the ocean by millions of tons that cause widespread hormonal disruption or outright toxicity. that is happening today, not at some unspecified point in the future. So weird nobody seems to be concerned about that.

parineum 5y ago

> the mantle of environmentalist can be taken by anyone, notably just nimbys The mantle of NIMBY can be given to anyone, even environmentalists. This seems very "no true scottsman" adjacent.