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What killed me it was Twitter killing developers apis: no more interesting apps than theirs. It sucks big time. They're also screwing the chronology, sometimes

What killed me it was Twitter killing developers apis: no more interesting apps than theirs. It sucks big time. They're also screwing the chronology, sometimes you get the latest tweets (most interesting) and sometimes they switch you to Recommended, which, normally, it sucks. Let me browse chronologically as it was in the old days.

atorodius 5y ago
I recently wondered about this, from another angle. In a way it was "weird" that they had an API, given our times. I.e., it was different: imagine if FB/Instagram/WhatsApp had an API. (I think it would be awesome, but it puts into perspective that it was weird that they had one imo)
- mschuster91 5y ago
  Facebook actually had APIs which got closed down after a couple of data-mining scandals (first these "quiz" apps and games, then Cambridge Analytica as the final nail in the coffin), and their messenger used to support federation via XMPP. IIRC that got shut down because of spam and scams.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Facebook still has APIs, there's just a bunch of attestations and app reviews before you get access to them now. Some of them have been neutered, like friends' lists and whatnot, but there's a lot they still do.
  - winternett 5y ago
    Now devs and social engineers are using FaceBook groups to covertly gather intel... I joined a local development (to my home) group and found out after answering development questions people posted that I was suddenly getting a lot of recruiter calls out of nowhere. Facebook apparently exposes contact info in the process, or perhaps the engineers cross-reference other sites as well. It makes the job easy for scammers too. The convoluted ways in which people are gathering info on individuals is rampant in many Facebutt groups... There is way too much unsolicited spam and it grows every time I use an app or social site. Makes me not want to log in at all a lot.
- wongarsu 5y ago
  Instagram has an API [1][2], Facebook used to have a decent API back in the days, Reddit still has an excellent API. But somehow Youtube and Twitter are the only services where I prefer 3rd party clients. 1: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-api https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-api 2: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-basic-display-api https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-basic-display...
- nradov 5y ago
  Is it viable for advertising supported services to have a fully functional API? Some third-party developer will build an alternative client app with no ads and eliminate the revenue stream.
  - vkou 5y ago
    And they'll get their API keys revoked. Just because you have an API doesn't mean you're going to allow anyone and everyone to use it how they want.
- jrochkind1 5y ago
  Facebook used to have an API (that was useable to do interesting things).
- riffraff 5y ago
  It wasn't our times, it was a time when every service provided APIs, and many services provided parsable html to be scraped. The era of "mash ups". It's incredible how things changed since the 00s.
- masswerk 5y ago
  Back then, free APIs and mashups based on them were the hot thing. (Free geolocation resolvers, Google hat a free search API, Bing as well, FB had one, too, free weather forecasts APIs, etc., etc.) You couldn't be a trendy start-up without providing one. Things have changed a lot since. PS: I keep a few selected apps from this era on my phone. Once a year I open them and admire them in their data-less beauty. (Favourite one: Partly Clouded) Let's call it software shinto.
- ximeng 5y ago
  WhatsApp has an API for $$: https://www.whatsapp.com/business/api https://www.whatsapp.com/business/api
charcircuit 5y ago
Chronological is worse since you will see a bunch meaningless tweets from people. It's better if twitter can show me the important tweets that I've missed since I last used it.
winternett 5y ago
Chronological posts were the one thing making tools like twitter useful. The ideal that you could follow someone and see their minute-to-minute thoughts was refreshing. In the age of bots and schedules posts, fake accounts and marginal content/reposts are rampant. Twitter to me now feels like a "dead body" repost zone where the only thing that grabs attention are snuff clips and pr0n. Their overhead from all the volume is probably stratospheric, and they're scrambling to stop the hemorrhage of expenses over innovating now, so it's probably gonna take an entirely different platform to recapture the classic dynamic that Twitter once had.
bern4444 5y ago
Twitter's redone all their APIs and made it easier to get initial access more quickly. Have you looked at it recently? https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/getting-started/getting-access-to-the-twitter-api https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/getting-st...

atorodius 5y ago

I recently wondered about this, from another angle. In a way it was "weird" that they had an API, given our times. I.e., it was different: imagine if FB/Instagram/WhatsApp had an API. (I think it would be awesome, but it puts into perspective that it was weird that they had one imo)

mschuster91 5y ago
Facebook actually had APIs which got closed down after a couple of data-mining scandals (first these "quiz" apps and games, then Cambridge Analytica as the final nail in the coffin), and their messenger used to support federation via XMPP. IIRC that got shut down because of spam and scams.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Facebook still has APIs, there's just a bunch of attestations and app reviews before you get access to them now. Some of them have been neutered, like friends' lists and whatnot, but there's a lot they still do.
- winternett 5y ago
  Now devs and social engineers are using FaceBook groups to covertly gather intel... I joined a local development (to my home) group and found out after answering development questions people posted that I was suddenly getting a lot of recruiter calls out of nowhere. Facebook apparently exposes contact info in the process, or perhaps the engineers cross-reference other sites as well. It makes the job easy for scammers too. The convoluted ways in which people are gathering info on individuals is rampant in many Facebutt groups... There is way too much unsolicited spam and it grows every time I use an app or social site. Makes me not want to log in at all a lot.
wongarsu 5y ago
Instagram has an API [1][2], Facebook used to have a decent API back in the days, Reddit still has an excellent API. But somehow Youtube and Twitter are the only services where I prefer 3rd party clients. 1: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-api https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-api 2: https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-basic-display-api https://developers.facebook.com/docs/instagram-basic-display...
nradov 5y ago
Is it viable for advertising supported services to have a fully functional API? Some third-party developer will build an alternative client app with no ads and eliminate the revenue stream.
- vkou 5y ago
  And they'll get their API keys revoked. Just because you have an API doesn't mean you're going to allow anyone and everyone to use it how they want.
jrochkind1 5y ago
Facebook used to have an API (that was useable to do interesting things).
riffraff 5y ago
It wasn't our times, it was a time when every service provided APIs, and many services provided parsable html to be scraped. The era of "mash ups". It's incredible how things changed since the 00s.
masswerk 5y ago
Back then, free APIs and mashups based on them were the hot thing. (Free geolocation resolvers, Google hat a free search API, Bing as well, FB had one, too, free weather forecasts APIs, etc., etc.) You couldn't be a trendy start-up without providing one. Things have changed a lot since. PS: I keep a few selected apps from this era on my phone. Once a year I open them and admire them in their data-less beauty. (Favourite one: Partly Clouded) Let's call it software shinto.
ximeng 5y ago
WhatsApp has an API for $$: https://www.whatsapp.com/business/api https://www.whatsapp.com/business/api

charcircuit 5y ago

Chronological is worse since you will see a bunch meaningless tweets from people. It's better if twitter can show me the important tweets that I've missed since I last used it.

winternett 5y ago

Chronological posts were the one thing making tools like twitter useful. The ideal that you could follow someone and see their minute-to-minute thoughts was refreshing. In the age of bots and schedules posts, fake accounts and marginal content/reposts are rampant. Twitter to me now feels like a "dead body" repost zone where the only thing that grabs attention are snuff clips and pr0n. Their overhead from all the volume is probably stratospheric, and they're scrambling to stop the hemorrhage of expenses over innovating now, so it's probably gonna take an entirely different platform to recapture the classic dynamic that Twitter once had.

bern4444 5y ago

Twitter's redone all their APIs and made it easier to get initial access more quickly. Have you looked at it recently? https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/getting-started/getting-access-to-the-twitter-api https://developer.twitter.com/en/docs/twitter-api/getting-st...