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This is the reasoning that leads to absurd levels of death we've seen over the last two years. It's great for you, no doubt, but incredibly selfish.

kaesar14 5y ago
We're not going to do perpetual lockdowns for the rest of eternity and not every country in the world is capable of enforcing a lockdown like China and the rest of East Asia anyway. It was always going to spread. Easy for the laptop class of this website to call not wanting lockdowns selfish when it disproportionally harms the poorest and most vulnerable of our society.
- sweetheart 5y ago
  > it disproportionally harms the poorest and most vulnerable of our society. So does dying from Covid, or getting sick numerous times and missing work. Or not being able to afford missing work so you go in anyway and spread the disease, leading to your work being shutdown for weeks. No matter what is done, the poorest and most vulnerable will be disproportionally affected. While I agree we can't perpetually mandate stay-at-home orders and expect everyone to live off savings, we _can_ expect the gov't to make that possible beyond the pathetic payments that folks received.
noxer 5y ago
There are no absurd levels of death. Average COVID death per day since the outbreak is likely lower than the average death from cigarette smoking. And people die from cigarette smoking since years and years. Million in the last decade in the US alone. And there is no doubt that cigarette smoking also increased COVID death. Another way to look it it is birth rate versus death rate. Globally speaking COVID death would need to be at lest one order of magnitude higher to stagnant growth. The 2 year pandemic made the global world population lag by about a week. So in a week we have the same number of people as we would have today if there were no COVID. Its that insignificant. On a population chart over 100 years COVID will be p much invisible, a tiny tiny slow down of the growth. There are no absurd levels of death there are just many many humans and thus the death number feel subjectively high.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
According to the CDC 1,027 people / 1000k died in 2020 compared to 870 people /100k in 2019. +157/100k (18%) is definitely more, but not an absurd amount more. I believe our response was appropriate.

kaesar14 5y ago

We're not going to do perpetual lockdowns for the rest of eternity and not every country in the world is capable of enforcing a lockdown like China and the rest of East Asia anyway. It was always going to spread. Easy for the laptop class of this website to call not wanting lockdowns selfish when it disproportionally harms the poorest and most vulnerable of our society.

sweetheart 5y ago
> it disproportionally harms the poorest and most vulnerable of our society. So does dying from Covid, or getting sick numerous times and missing work. Or not being able to afford missing work so you go in anyway and spread the disease, leading to your work being shutdown for weeks. No matter what is done, the poorest and most vulnerable will be disproportionally affected. While I agree we can't perpetually mandate stay-at-home orders and expect everyone to live off savings, we _can_ expect the gov't to make that possible beyond the pathetic payments that folks received.

noxer 5y ago

There are no absurd levels of death. Average COVID death per day since the outbreak is likely lower than the average death from cigarette smoking. And people die from cigarette smoking since years and years. Million in the last decade in the US alone. And there is no doubt that cigarette smoking also increased COVID death. Another way to look it it is birth rate versus death rate. Globally speaking COVID death would need to be at lest one order of magnitude higher to stagnant growth. The 2 year pandemic made the global world population lag by about a week. So in a week we have the same number of people as we would have today if there were no COVID. Its that insignificant. On a population chart over 100 years COVID will be p much invisible, a tiny tiny slow down of the growth. There are no absurd levels of death there are just many many humans and thus the death number feel subjectively high.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

According to the CDC 1,027 people / 1000k died in 2020 compared to 870 people /100k in 2019. +157/100k (18%) is definitely more, but not an absurd amount more. I believe our response was appropriate.