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The crypto part of ZeroTier is getting some love soon but we are taking our time to get it right and get peer review. Implementing ideas from WireGuard and Sign

by api 5y ago

The crypto part of ZeroTier is getting some love soon but we are taking our time to get it right and get peer review. Implementing ideas from WireGuard and Signal. Also the pricing is for our controller SaaS. If you want to self host controllers you can for free. There is a free community developed control panel somewhere.

password4321 5y ago
Managing expectations re:v2 is not going well for me. I wasn't really aware WireGuard-ish crypto improvements were happening (hire the personalities™ freelance ASAP or at least for review), and timeline is basically a punchline at this point... I recommend just owning both (edit: start today!) as 'when it's finished' on the front page if you want to appeal to techs. I updated re:free, thanks. Their appear to be two (Node.js/GPL3) control panels: https://github.com/key-networks/ztncui https://github.com/key-networks/ztncui and https://github.com/dec0dOS/zero-ui https://github.com/dec0dOS/zero-ui
- api 5y ago
  Managing expectations re:v2 has been a total failure on our part. We put far too many things in one basket. But the work is still happening. Learning moment for us: don't give timelines and don't reveal too much. Just say "when it's finished." Only Elon Musk can use Elon Time(tm). :) Edit: we also promised some things that are just brutally hard, like fully decentralizing the root backplane via full data set replication. We are still working on that but it proved tougher than we originally thought, especially in light of scaling needs and security concerns. Some interesting technology in development but still in private repos. Our competition just builds SaaS with a single controller run by a single entity. That's easy. We make it hard on ourselves by trying to keep going on the decentralization and control your own security boundary mission. Part of why everything is getting centralized into silos is that that's just so easy to engineer.
  - anderspitman 5y ago
    FWIW your "decentralize until it hurts, then centralize until it works" is one of my favorite slogans, and I appreciate y'all making the effort.
    - api 5y ago
      It's nice to hear that someone cares about this. I feel like a lunatic howling at the moon. We think decentralization (actual decentralization) is a good thing, but it would be so easy to just run a cloud silo. Everything becomes totally straightforward and simple. I also hate the way scammy cryptocurrency shonk has sucked all the air out of the room on this topic, especially since most of "web3" is not even decentralized. Most of it goes through a few companies' centralized hubs. Total hot air. I'm thinking about trying to coin a new term for actual decentralization.
      - anderspitman 5y ago
        It's important work. I wish we had better infrastructure for incentivizing things that are beneficial in the long term. And don't even get me started on web3. I went ahead and beefed up the ZT entry in the list[0] a bit. [0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling
      - IggleSniggle 5y ago
        You might be into howling at moonshots, but when it’s dark outside you need a true luminary to reflect any light back to the rest of us. Many thanks for your continued lunacy.
    - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
      Make sure you pay for the product/donate!
leaded_syrinx 5y ago
Please add webhooks for ZeroTier network endpoints coming online or going offline! I think some existing formal feature requests for this already exist? Absolutely love ZeroTier!
- password4321 5y ago
  https://github.com/zerotier/ZeroTierOne/issues/1143 https://github.com/zerotier/ZeroTierOne/issues/1143

by api 5y ago

password4321 5y ago

Managing expectations re:v2 is not going well for me. I wasn't really aware WireGuard-ish crypto improvements were happening (hire the personalities™ freelance ASAP or at least for review), and timeline is basically a punchline at this point... I recommend just owning both (edit: start today!) as 'when it's finished' on the front page if you want to appeal to techs. I updated re:free, thanks. Their appear to be two (Node.js/GPL3) control panels: https://github.com/key-networks/ztncui https://github.com/key-networks/ztncui and https://github.com/dec0dOS/zero-ui https://github.com/dec0dOS/zero-ui

api 5y ago
Managing expectations re:v2 has been a total failure on our part. We put far too many things in one basket. But the work is still happening. Learning moment for us: don't give timelines and don't reveal too much. Just say "when it's finished." Only Elon Musk can use Elon Time(tm). :) Edit: we also promised some things that are just brutally hard, like fully decentralizing the root backplane via full data set replication. We are still working on that but it proved tougher than we originally thought, especially in light of scaling needs and security concerns. Some interesting technology in development but still in private repos. Our competition just builds SaaS with a single controller run by a single entity. That's easy. We make it hard on ourselves by trying to keep going on the decentralization and control your own security boundary mission. Part of why everything is getting centralized into silos is that that's just so easy to engineer.
- anderspitman 5y ago
  FWIW your "decentralize until it hurts, then centralize until it works" is one of my favorite slogans, and I appreciate y'all making the effort.
  - api 5y ago
    It's nice to hear that someone cares about this. I feel like a lunatic howling at the moon. We think decentralization (actual decentralization) is a good thing, but it would be so easy to just run a cloud silo. Everything becomes totally straightforward and simple. I also hate the way scammy cryptocurrency shonk has sucked all the air out of the room on this topic, especially since most of "web3" is not even decentralized. Most of it goes through a few companies' centralized hubs. Total hot air. I'm thinking about trying to coin a new term for actual decentralization.
    - anderspitman 5y ago
      It's important work. I wish we had better infrastructure for incentivizing things that are beneficial in the long term. And don't even get me started on web3. I went ahead and beefed up the ZT entry in the list[0] a bit. [0]: https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling https://github.com/anderspitman/awesome-tunneling
    - IggleSniggle 5y ago
      You might be into howling at moonshots, but when it’s dark outside you need a true luminary to reflect any light back to the rest of us. Many thanks for your continued lunacy.
  - aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
    Make sure you pay for the product/donate!

leaded_syrinx 5y ago

Please add webhooks for ZeroTier network endpoints coming online or going offline! I think some existing formal feature requests for this already exist? Absolutely love ZeroTier!

password4321 5y ago
https://github.com/zerotier/ZeroTierOne/issues/1143 https://github.com/zerotier/ZeroTierOne/issues/1143