3 ms·

> There are examples of men who want women to be chained to the kitchen; If you ask a representative sample of men most will disagree strongly and loudly. If

> There are examples of men who want women to be chained to the kitchen; If you ask a representative sample of men most will disagree strongly and loudly. If however you ask feminists to distance themselves from the extremists you'll probably find a completely different answer. I have no papers to show but I have been watching the debate from the sidelines: Even something as simple as getting feminists to condemn "kill all men" is hard.

ok_dad 5y ago
> probably Your whole argument hinges on this word, you are not arguing in good faith, but rather, building a strawman. I'm not going to engage with this style. Thanks. > I have no papers to show but I have been watching the debate from the sidelines:
- skinkestek 5y ago
  > you are not arguing in good faith, but rather, building a strawman. First strawman is not the word here anyway. That would mean I misrepresent others to make it easier to knock down their arguments. That said, I'm not a native speaker and it probably affects the quality of my arguments. I'll try to rephrase it as a thought experiment: If one ask - a random sampling of men to distance themselves from a tweet that says women should be chained to the kitchen - and a random sample of women to distance themselves from a #killallmen tweet how do one think the results would be? > I'm not going to engage with this style. Thanks. Your choice, for the benefit of everyone else I answered. But I think it is unfair to say I argue in bad faith.
  - krageon 5y ago
    You are arguing a strawman, for the simple reason that the results of this hypothetical would be the same: The average man or woman does not wish murder or slavery on another person. If you live in a social web where this is not the case, that sucks. It's time to get new friends.
    - skinkestek 5y ago
      No, in fact now you are strawmanning me, creating a dumb version of what I wrote and tearing it down. My point is that among mainstream feminists it is more ok to write even gross hate speech against men (#killallmen) than it is to write even bad jokes about women (they should be chained to the kitchen) amongst not-feminists. I'm not suggesting mainstream feminists conspire to actually kill all men.

ok_dad 5y ago

> probably Your whole argument hinges on this word, you are not arguing in good faith, but rather, building a strawman. I'm not going to engage with this style. Thanks. > I have no papers to show but I have been watching the debate from the sidelines:

skinkestek 5y ago
> you are not arguing in good faith, but rather, building a strawman. First strawman is not the word here anyway. That would mean I misrepresent others to make it easier to knock down their arguments. That said, I'm not a native speaker and it probably affects the quality of my arguments. I'll try to rephrase it as a thought experiment: If one ask - a random sampling of men to distance themselves from a tweet that says women should be chained to the kitchen - and a random sample of women to distance themselves from a #killallmen tweet how do one think the results would be? > I'm not going to engage with this style. Thanks. Your choice, for the benefit of everyone else I answered. But I think it is unfair to say I argue in bad faith.
- krageon 5y ago
  You are arguing a strawman, for the simple reason that the results of this hypothetical would be the same: The average man or woman does not wish murder or slavery on another person. If you live in a social web where this is not the case, that sucks. It's time to get new friends.
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    No, in fact now you are strawmanning me, creating a dumb version of what I wrote and tearing it down. My point is that among mainstream feminists it is more ok to write even gross hate speech against men (#killallmen) than it is to write even bad jokes about women (they should be chained to the kitchen) amongst not-feminists. I'm not suggesting mainstream feminists conspire to actually kill all men.